On May 16, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Chris Tromley via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
> Actually it doesn't take much thought to understand the reasoning here. But I think you missed it. > First and foremost, these companies are run by car guys. To most of them, > ICE is an inextricable part of "car". Even if they realize at some level > that ICE is not a lasting proposition, they are very aware that a > SPECTACULAR level of complexity is now commonly accepted as necessary by > the public. Complexity = profits. Why offer simple and cheap EVs when you > can offer complex and expensive FCVs instead? Follow the money. Neither simple nor cheap. There is a lot if complexity that goes into systems. Much has been spent over the last decade in bringing down the cost of batteries in EVs. > > Honda, Toyota and Mazda all consider themselves ICE manufacturers (Honda > most of all). Now that EVs are entering the greater market, I think we're > seeing the manufacturers overtly picking sides. All the more reason to > encourage Tesla and Nissan. I think you're wrong here, too. It's not about picking sides, it's thinking about what will sell, where will make a profit. Different OEMs have gone different directions, switched, etc. some have said "all of the above," then shifted. Nissan is working on FCEVs, too. Toyota has talked about how the hybrid (which was neither simple nor cheap either) is their "base". as I think I understand it, everything derives from that platform. Take your hybrid, replace the engine with a motor and batteries, or a motor and fuel cell, or ...? > > I'd add Mitsubishi too, but I'm not quite convinced of their commitment > yet. Still waiting to see what they do with the new iMiev, and where it's > available. GM seems to be headed in the right direction with the Volt as a > first step. If they show they're serious with the Spark EV I might even > have to [hold nose] consider buying a Chevy [shudder] to reward them. > > Big corporations are like sharks. They don't think. They have no values. > You can't train them, you can only control their food supply. When one > randomly does something we like, we need to feed it to keep it interested. > Yeah, I might actually buy a Chevy if they become available in PA. > > Still hoping for more range though. (Why has no OEM other than Tesla made > various pack sizes optional? Seems pretty easy to implement. Even some > electric motorcycles have that, and a motorcycle is a packaging nightmare.) > > If overall OEM interest in EVs is not sufficient, that's where kit cars > like Lee's Sunrise can make a real difference. 150 - 200 mile range isn't > available without spending big dollars. (Yeah, I know, but the east coast > is a charging desert and I have a long commute.) A kit EV with an > expandable range would be a very good thing. > > Chris > > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Don Bradley via EV <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Could be Toyota is preparing ads for Fuel Cell Vehicles in a year or two. >> >> I went to the Alt Car Expo in March and there were a number of Fuel Cell >> vehicles on Display besides Hybrid, CNG, NGV, and Electric vehicles (Click >> on the Toyoa FCHV-ADV): >> >> http://altcarexponorcal.com/vehicle_year/2014-vehicles/ >> >> Don > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140516/254d4af3/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
