Must've been mid-90s when I had a little involvement.

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> On Jun 29, 2014, at 3:56 PM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Current USPS mail truck ice
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_LLV
> 
> The opec.org oil-embargo fuel-shortage 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC#1973_oil_embargo
> created a need for USPS EVs. 
> 
> Here is a KurbWatt postal EV (circa 1984)
> http://www.ebaymotorsblog.com/rare-1983-all-electric-kurbwatt-postal-van/
> 
> https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-history/electric-vehicles.pdf
> Scroll down 35% of this page to show some USPS EV history
> 
> At EVS-12 (Electric Vehicle Symposium back in 1994)
> http://www.evs27.org/evs-history
> Ford was touting how they were supplying EVs to the USPS
> http://www.napsnet.com/pdf_archive/33/50509.pdf
> 
> Grumman vehicles replaced the Ford EVs
> http://insideevs.com/should-the-us-postal-service-fleet-go-electric/
> 
> At SF Bay area EAA Chapters at that time, a USPS fleet manager made an
> excellent presentation on what they were doing with EVs. This was back when
> fuel was ~$1gal in the U.S., see the bottom of
> http://www.fveaa.org/docs/newsletters/1994/FVEAA-newsletter-1994-11.pdf
> 
> Sadly, as Lee posted, there were many forces against these EVs (paid-off
> sabotaging-efforts, or just people angry from stirred up from anti-EV
> hate-talk media-outlets - AM radio, paper-publications, etc. This was back
> when the Internet was fledgling). 
> 
> circa 2000 data
> http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/avta/pdfs/fsev/usps/fleet/2summarysections1_3.pdf
> (where is says repairs, substitute sabotage-damaged by vehicle maintenance
> personnel)
> 
> The Avcon EVSE charging put in at a few USPS sites was not the full 40A
> source but set at 30A, so recharging was slower than it could have been. See
> the image 45% down the page
> http://www.afdc.energy.gov/pdfs/usps_cs.pdf
> If you look 50% down the above page, it shows only a small saving because
> fuel was so cheap back then.
> 
> Later, that USPS manager mentioned off the cuff to me that he had
> experienced so much resistance and political maneuvering against USPS EVs in
> the fleet, he had to kowtow, else get a permanent black-eye against his
> career (he wisely chose to protect his income that paid the bills for his
> family, and move on to a different job).
> 
> When the USPS trashed their EVs and ripped out all the Avcon EVSE, a local
> EAA Chapter was able to get a few of the Avcon EVSE, and re-purpose them as
> public EVSE. But that did not work as well as hoped because of the 30A
> limitation (like j1772, Avcons usually were connected to a 40A 208-240VAC
> source). 
> 
> Those USPS Avcon EVSE that the EAA re-purposed are now gone, replaced by
> ClipperCreek CS-40 j1772 EVSE as part of a CA state Government program to
> upgrade those old public EVSE.
> 
> In other countries, the use of EVs for mail service does not get the
> political heat that they do in the use. I have posted newswires on these
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=postal+electric&days=0
> They show that there are many Kangoo, eNV200, and other production EVs that
> are in mail service around the world. Of all of these non-U.S. mail service
> EVs I have posted, this New Zealand one caught my eye
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9879622/Posties-test-out-electric-new-rides
> 
> It really seems that like the same dismantling/zev-teeth-removal of CARB
> back in the 2000's, has happened again with CARB's change to kowtow to
> political and or Oil/Automaker pressure to give EVs less zev credits (non-EV
> favoritism). 
> 
> <EV-dream-mode>
> % Now if we (the EV-cause) only had millions of dollar$ coming from each
> person filling their fuel tank at the pump to fight these anti-EV forces ...
> %
> <EV-dream-mode/>
> 
> 
> {brucedp.150m.com}
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014, at 01:37 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
>> EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
>>> It appears to me that EVs have not yet been a success in postal
>> delivery. I
>>> can't understand why not.  Anyone with other (I hope more positive)
>>> information please post it.
>> 
>> I have some information on this regarding the US Postal Service's
>> efforts.
>> 
>> The Post Office itself has always been against the idea. But several 
>> times, Congress has forced them to try pilot EV programs. As you might 
>> expect, politics wound up playing a bigger role than engineering.
>> 
>> Many of the suppliers had little or no experience building such 
>> vehicles. There were thus serious "teething" problems with all vehicle 
>> systems, not just the EV components (body integrity, safety, brakes, 
>> steering, etc.)
>> 
>> My father was a mail carrier, and a staunch member of the NALC (postal 
>> union). The union was dead set against EVs, and their members often went 
>> out of their way to sabotage the EV pilot programs.
>> 
>> Nevertheless, some of the vehicles that weren't purposely wrecked 
>> performed well. The EVs from Smith's Electric Vehicles in England did 
>> very well, since they have been building on-road EV delivery vehicles 
>> for 50+years. But they couldn't be chosen because they were "foreign". 
>> AM General supplied some DJ5 Postal Jeep EV conversions that worked 
>> exactly like their ICE versions. However, they already had the contract 
>> for ICE postal jeeps, and like every other auto company, they had zero 
>> interest in changing them to EVs.
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