This conversation is definitely not going to get any more attention from me. Unless you fellows are really intent on us watching you try to humiliate each other in public (sort of unprofessional, eh?) you might want to take this to a back channel.
Mike On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Aug 18, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Chris Tromley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Mark Abramowitz < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Aug 18, 2014, at 4:34 AM, Chris Tromley via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > In the article I read from the LA Times, there isn't any indication > >> > whatsoever that Tesla is seeking anything. This is all being offered > by > >> > the state to remain competitive with other states. Tesla has options. > >> > They don't need California. California needs Tesla. > >> > >> I've not read the article, but I can tell you that this is being talked > about. > > > > see > http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-tesla-incentives-20140812-story.html > > > > <snip> > > > >> Slow down a multi-year project by how much? > > > > Enough to delay the development and/or launch of the Model 3, which > will depend on gigafactory output. > > Tough to believe that Musk, of all people, has such a tight schedule. With > all the unknowns, it would be irresponsible for him to engage in such a > poor planning effort. He's one of the last people that I would think would > be unprepared. > > > > > > <snip> > > > >> Exactly. As someone who has lauded what Tesla has done, my trust is any > company that "needs" to be exempt from environmental disclosure and > protection laws is being tested. > > > > Again, Musk would have to be truly stupid to build and/or operate the > gigafactory without exemplary environmental protections in place. He has > demonstrated repeatedly that he is not stupid. > > That's what I would have thought. But this still creates a black mark, to > say nothing about the policy implications of carving out special exemptions > for people. > > > > > California has fast-tracked projects through the environmental review > process before. > > Once that I remember - for the stadium - pretty sleazy, in my view. > > > > What I have suggested elsewhere is that they amend the legislation to > allow a real-time monitor-and-advise approach, perhaps with regulators > embedded in the project team. > > First and foremost, CEQA is a disclosure requirement, providing disclosure > to both the public and decision makers. I don't know what a "real-time > monitor-and-advise approach" is, but it sounds like it presumes a lot. > > Regulators embedded in project team smacks of back room deals, coziness, > rubber stamp approvals, and from a practical standpoint, almost besides > the point. > > You don't have much experience with CEQA, do you? Or the regulatory side? > > Sounds like you want predetermined outcome and rubber stamp. > > > That or something similar could produce results EVEN BETTER than what > the current legislation would yield, and would therefore help silence > everyone with an agenda who would prefer to serve their own interests. All > while keeping the project on schedule. > > The big agenda out there is weakening CEQA, and this only further makes it > difficult to protect. > > > > > > > Sounds pretty innovative to me. Is California up to it? I think they > are. Politically I'm not so sure. > > Innovation, yes. But I'm not so sure this innovates. > > In fact, there are better ways to cut time in the process without messing > with CEQA, starting with preferential "go to the front of the line" > permitting. I've been pushing that for years. It has a much better impact > on time to build than weakening CEQA. > > > > > > Chris > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140818/879f593f/attachment.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." 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