Electrical things do not have to be listed by someone like UL.  Some state and 
local governments may require UL (or something similar) as part of the fire and 
electrical code.  The reason manufactures use approval services like UL is 
liability.  Stores will often not sell things that are not listed because of 
liability concerns.  Getting something listed shows the product was properly 
designed and has been tested by a qualified group of independent engineers to 
verify it meets the appropriate safety levels.  
When You connect to the grid then the power company has say in anything that 
can energies the power lines and they may require only listed devices. 

David Kerzel
Modulsar EV Power LLC

-----Original Message-----
From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Bruninga via EV
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:52 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Chinese inverters legality?

You EV experimenters must have some facts here...

Is it illegal to purchase, own or operate a non UL approved appliance?
(Which?) (How do I prove it is OK)...

We are trying to support a grass-roots solar panel idea for people in our 
church who don't have good sunny roofs or who don't have the money for a 
whole-house solar to at least  buyin to solar in the form of a single panel and 
250W inverter (ebay) that they can place in their front yard to show support 
for addressing climate change.  We call it "SunFlowers"...

See http://aprs.org/sunflowers.html

But we cannot move on this until we resolve the legal issues.  Since we are not 
"selling anything" but simply group-purchasing the solar panels and letting the 
individuals connect (and/or buy their own inverter) the two wires and plug it 
in, then who will prevent us (or sue us) for doing this?

I am certain the utility will say it violates their terms of service., even 
though we will test each house and ASSURE that there is no backfeed and the 
house does present at least the minimum 250W load to assure there is no 
backfeed...

But no utility would probably officially accept our testing...  What if it was 
a licensed Electrician?  Probably he would never approve a non UL appliance 
either...

SO lets keep it at the UL appliance level.  Is it ok to plug in a non UL 
approved appliance?
And where does it say that?

Bob, WB4aPR


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