What a hogwash article! This has litterally nothing to do with EV, but everything with the ability of the driver to deal with slippery surfaces and the design of the car wash to allow a car getting "trapped" on low friction surfaces. The electric drivetrain has no part in this car wash's trapping scheme or the ability of the driver to negotiate this treacherous terrain, so I am puzzled why the heading was chosen to warn specifically the Leaf owners, as if they are the only drivers that would be affected by slippery car wash surfaces. To me, this sounds like fear-mongering of a person who rather sits in a 4WD truck, but I may be biased. I have never had an issue negotiating any terrain that I wanted to cross in my FWD Prius or in my RWD electric truck. I can't remember which year I last visited an automated car wash. I wash my vehicles at most once a year (not because I am lazy but out of conviction to save precious water resources for drinking, not unnecessarily shining up paint that eventually gets dull anyway). Occasionally I will clean windows to be able to drive safely and for the rest I just let the wind and rain take care of the dust on my truck.
Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of brucedp5 via EV Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Leaf owners - beware the gas station car wash! http://scholarsandrogues.com/2014/10/06/leaf-owners-beware-the-gas-stati on-car-wash-renewable-journal-for-1062014/ Leaf owners - beware the gas station car wash! - Renewable Journal for 10/6/2014 A couple months back, I gave my Leaf a bath in a gas station car wash. I came out of it complaining that it didn't get all the bird poop off my pretty new car, but that happens sometimes - some car washes are just not that good. The thing that stuck with me, though, was that it was hard to get the car positioned right in the car wash, and even harder to get the car out of the wash at all. See, the car wash I was at had a metal ramp, and the coefficient of friction of a wet metal ramp is quite a bit lower than that of wet concrete. What happened was my electric motor's torque made the front wheel drive spin out, and instead of rolling gracefully up the ramp, I nearly overshot the pressure plate that tells the automatic car wash that my car is positioned correctly. And when I tried to let my car settle back slightly by taking my foot off the brake, the car tried to go forward instead. In my unexpected difficulties of navigating a simple car wash I'd forgotten to put the Leaf in neutral. Getting out of the car wash turned out to be even more of an adventure. The Leaf's ultra-low rolling resistance tires were soaking wet and covered in partially rinsed-off soap by then, and they wouldn't grip the wet metal at all - all they wanted to do was spin in place. I had to take a lesson out of my snowy weather driving manual and actually rock the Leaf back and then forward to get enough momentum to get my front wheels out of the depression. Not pleasant. I had visions of having to call my wife for a careful push to get me out of the stupid car wash. Something to keep in mind if you're looking to buy a Leaf - be careful in gas station car washes! [(c) scholarsandrogues.com] For EVLN posts use: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble+template%2FNamlServlet.jtp %3Fmacro%3Dsearch_page%26node%3D413529%26query%3Devln%26sort%3Ddate http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1094708_electric-vehicles-in-rv-camp grounds-what-you-need-to-know Electric Vehicles In RV Campgrounds: What You Need To Know http://www.wfmynews2.com/story/news/local/2-wants-to-know/2014/09/29/eel ctric-car-charging-stations-pti-ptia-piedmont-triad-international-airpor t-greensboro-2wtk-2-wants-to-know/16441077/ 4 L1 EVSE @PTI Airport NC + EVLN: Energica Ego> ultra-fast.it Femme fatale e-motorcycle (video) {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Leaf-o wners-beware-the-gas-station-car-wash-tp4672090.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
