Perhaps in part longer term, you might want to take a look at the technology assessments prepared by the California Air Resources Board (and, in part, the South Coast Air Quality Management District).
They look at all vehicle categories. The bottom line is that over time, most if not all vehicle categories lend themselves to partial or full electrification over time, though each niche has different challenges. http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/tech/tech.htm It's possible that the workshops, which were webcast, are available online, but you'll have to look. They would likely be at the CalEPA webcast site. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2014, at 5:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > As a perhaps 'what-if' scenario, 'what the future will bring', or as a bit > of a mental exercise, I am posting something relating to the previously > posted large (puffy) truck item > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Electrifying-Large-Vehicles-converting-buyers-to-a-higher-mpge-design-tp4671523.html > Electrifying Large Vehicles> converting buyers to a higher mpge design > to kick around. > > What lead me to this was a hev newswire > http://www.truckinginfo.com/news/story/2014/10/coca-cola-to-more-than-double-hybrid-vans.aspx > touting Coke delivery vans converted to hev giving better economy. That > newswire did not do much for me, but my next thought was what off the shelf > conversion items were the converter using, so I sought out the converter's > site. > > Looking at > http://www.xlhybrids.com/hybrid-van-available-now > and focusing on the (right side) largest vehicles, I clicked on the spec > link: > > http://www.xlhybrids.com/sites/default/files/XL_Hybrids_Cutaway_SalesSheet_Web.pdf > which gives the specs for their large hev with an image showing an > underside view of the chassis, showing the drive train, pack, etc (ice not > shown but you can figure that part out). > > Lets forget all their hoopla pushing hev and assume the future has cheaper > packs, that lends itself to conversion businesses like this to using 'off > the shelf' pih packages (so no longer making hev, but pih conversions). > > Instead of the wimpy 1kW hev pack (like what is shown, similar to what a > Prius hev has), their range of converted pih vehicles (from vans to buses to > heavy Strip Chassis trucks) could offer different pack configurations as > options, starting with a lower priced ~20kW, and incrementally increasing > the pack capacity size to fit the customer's need/demand. > > This would have a much wider use than just as Coke delivery vans. It could > be implemented all across heavy vehicle uses (from airport > shuttle-vans/people-mover/limo-service to city shuttle-buses to large heavy > box delivery trucks). > > Those pih vehicles with a large pack capacity and a regular route could have > an L3 EVSE at their regular/usual stops to quickly boost their e-range use > ($aving $, using less chemical-fuel, extending the periods between > ice-maintenance). > > Large delivery trucks are regularly parked for queuing to unload or load > items at a site's shipping/receiving dock. Those with refrigeration units > usually offer 240VAC/20A 3-phase power to keep refrigeration units powered. > That same electrical power could put miles back into parked pih vehicles > (same amount of electrical energy, just instead of cooling, it puts e-range > back in). > > The possibilities of heavy pih vehicle use are expansive, including > eventually: > > - RVs (when they plug in for the night, the smart on-board charger pulls the > maximum power from the Nema 14-50 240VAC 50A outlet and what power is not > needed for the RV appliances is used to recharge the pack> adding e-miles). > > - Shuttle buses parked routinely for 15min to give the driver a break, could > use an inductive charging system could pump power back into the pack > > - Smaller vans and trucks could fit in standard EVSE parking spaces thus > could use public L3 to regain miles quickly on lunch breaks, etc. > > - And some of the civilian drivers that currently drive huge inefficient > (wasteful, puffy) trucks for show (with no intention to actually use them or > get them scratched from work) could also have the option of driving some of > their miles in electric-mode. > > > The above could happen, and may be right around the corner. I came across a > pih newswire > http://www.businesswire.com/news/mfrtech/20141027006268/en/Greenkraft-Efficient-Drivetrains-Jointly-Receive-Grant-California > Greenkraft Inc. and Efficient Drivetrains, Inc. Jointly Receive Grant from > California Energy Commission to Develop CNG-PHEV Class-4 Truck > > promoting the CEC's grant funding Greenkraft > http://www.greenkraftinc.com/alternative-fuel-systems/ > to use Efficient Drivetrains' > http://www.efficientdrivetrains.com/ > phev/pih product > > I did not see how large the pih pack was, nor what type of charging they > offered. So, while some may think grant $ like this are a waste, grant$ can > show the viability of a business model that produces and or uses large heavy > pih vehicles. > > > All corrections, comments, views are welcome :-) > > > > > For EVLN posts use: > http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble+template%2FNamlServlet.jtp%3Fmacro%3Dsearch_page%26node%3D413529%26query%3Devln+-re%26sort%3Ddate > + > EVLN: Awesome Carpenter.cn Sporting His Woodie nEV r:20km ts:30kph > + > EVLN: PatrasU Students' 1seat 110hp 235kg EV +production business plan > > > {brucedp.150m.com} > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Large-pih-conversion-vehicles-tp4672312.html > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
