Sorry to ask a really dumb question, but 3 phase 60 Hz AC synchronous
motors seem to start and run just fine on fixd 60 Hz frequency, why does
one need to ramp up and have precise feeback of rotator postion therefore
frequency and phase to make a D C controller?  Of course, the anwer is
efficiency, precise engine control and so forth, plus to preserve starting
torque Which is of course HUGE in an AC compressor motor.

But ignoring all these must haves,... if one just hit an unloaded 3 phase
motor with DC derived 3 phase sinusoids, would it not just run?  So is it
just the need for starting torque that is the big reason why one needs the
complexity of rotoro feedback?

No, challenging anything, just looking for a simply layman's overview of
the need.

Thanks
Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Dube via EV
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 5:08 PM
To: Joe; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?

Did realize the Prius was permanent magnet. The TECO VFD might not work at
all driving a PM. :-( Other OEM EV compressors might not be PM.
Residential HVAC compressors are definitely not PM, but they tend to be
rather bulky.

Bill D.


On 6/11/2015 11:54 AM, Joe via EV wrote:
> Regarding an off-the-shelf VFD for a prius compressor, it would have
> to be one that can control permanent magnet synchronous motors with
> interior magnets.  The TECO drive linked appears to only work in
> sensorless mode for induction motors.  Open loop V/f would probably
> make a prius compressor spin, but probably not very efficiently or
effectively at high power.
>
> Also, I've measured up to 1500W (2 HP) drawn by the prius compressor
> on a 100F day with the fan on high, so the drive would have to be
> sized accordingly.  Looks like the 2 and 3 HP versions of the TECO
> drive aren't much more expensive, though.  One of those drives might
> work with a residential hvac compressor.
>
> Also, I forgot about masterflux drives and compressors.  They're
> expensive, but I think they work well based on some posts on
diyelectriccar.
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Bill Dube via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> "Hacking" some OEM EV air conditionaing, like from a Prius, is likely
>> the best option. There are also inverter driven (VFD) home
>> compressors that would likely work as well, but aren't as rugged as
>> the OEM EV air conditioning compressors.
>>
>> I would investigate small, single phase input, three phase output,
>> variable frequency drives (VFD) instead of building my own inverter
>> from scratch. Like a TECO:
>>
>> http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable-
>> Frequency-Drives/1-HP-TECO-VFD-115-VAC-1PH-INPUT-3PH-OUTPUT-11-3424.a
>> xd Likely will run nicely from DC. Certainly cheap to try.
>>
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