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My research differs from Lawrence' posted. I brought up the plugshare.com web page (not the app), set their options filter to only L3 Combo (css), and unchecked all other types of EVSE. Then I used the mouse to zoom in on a trip from San Francisco (SF) to Los Angeles (LA) looking at what public L3 Combo was available. I did the same thing except I had set the plugshare web page options to only show public L3 CHAdeMO EVSE. Since the amount and type of public EVSE is constantly changing (a moving target), I found this exercise as if I were to drive a production EV from SF to LA, informative and interesting (I am a charging/EVSE nut). As Lawrence had posted, Hwy101 has the L3 Combo EVSE corridor, though Hwy101 is not on the Pacific coast (Hwy1 is, and there is nil EVSE there). Hwy 101 is less in-land than Hwy 99 which runs through CA's Central Valley which is more east, closer to the Sierra Nevada Mtns (the gold country). Hwy 99 has the L3 CHAdeMO EVSE corridor, but from SF you have to zag (traverse) several miles east to connect with Hwy 99. If you look at the Plugshare listings below, you will see many of them have both L3 CHAdeMO and Combo capability. But it only takes one site/location to not have both to be a cramp in your L3 style (but there is always L2 to fallback on). Recapping SF to LA EV drivers wanting: L3 Combo EVSE, use highway 101 south https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_101 L3 CHAdeMO EVSE, use highway 99 south https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_99 Below is my plugshare research. The first section of plugshare listings are for SF L3 Combo EV drivers going to LA on Hwy101 south. The second section is for SF L3 CHAdeMO drivers going to LA on Hwy99 south. Obviously the return trips are in reverse. - https://goo.gl/maps/MLxjH1tQ87U2 (Map route 222 miles total) Begining with a L3 Combo charge in Salinas, driving Highway 101 south: http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/68135 Nob Hill Foods EV Plug (J1772), 2 CHAdeMO DCFCs, SAE Combo DCFC EVgo 1320 S Main St, Salinas, CA 93901 18774943833 Cost EVgo membership required. $1.50 for 1 hour / Level 2 AC. $9.95 for 30 minutes / DC Fast Hours 24/7 comments: 'ABB CCS coupler is persnickety> could not lock on, give the handle just a little lift while locking on to the car' http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/73489 Keefers Inn SAE Combo DCFC 24 kW DC Fast, Chargepoint 615 Canal St, King City CA 93930 (831) 385-4843 $0.25 per kWh Hours 24 hours [*46.4mi from previous L3 css EVSE] {Optional L2 EVSE if EV has less than 90mi range http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/61020 Paso Robles Inn Sun Country EV Plug (J1772) EV60/48amp Free 1103 Spring St, Paso Robles, CA, 93446 (805) 238-2660 Cost Free } http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/56118 Kon Tiki Inn SAE Combo DCFC Chargepoint 1621 Price St, Pismo Beach, California 93449 DC Fast (Chargepoint): $3.00 Access Fee, $0.20 per kWh Hours DC Fast: 24 Hours Description 'For an additional fee, visitors can use the hotel's guest EVSE, see front desk 1st' [*91.3mi from previous L3 css EVSE] http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/73118 Santa Ynez Valley Marriott CHAdeMO DCFC, SAE Combo DCFC ChargePoint 50 kW 555 McMurray Rd, Buellton, CA 93427 (805) 688-1000 Cost $0.30/kWh Description 101 exit 140. ChargePoint [*51mi from previous L3 css EVSE] http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/73467 Courtyard Santa Barbara Goleta SAE Combo DCFC ChargePoint 24kW ChargePoint 401 Storke Rd, Goleta, CA 93117 (805) 968-0500 Cost $0.15 per minute (ChargePoint) Hours 24/7/365 Description Highway 101 exit 108 [*33.6mi from previous L3 css EVSE] - - https://goo.gl/maps/Eyubtt4ED5y (Map 372 miles total) Begining with a L3 CHAdeMO charge in Gilroy, driving Highway 99 south: http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/6634 Gilroy Premium Outlets 2 EV Plug (J1772)s, 2 CHAdeMO DCFCs, 2 SAE Combo DCFCs Blink & eVgo 681 Leavesley Rd., Gilroy, CA, 95020 (408) 842-3729 Cost $0.49/kwh Blink L2. $9.95 for 30 minutes / DC Fast NRG EVgo Hours 24/7 {Optional L2 EVSE if EV has less than 90mi range, a 4hr charge might get you to Fresno so you could skip the L3 at Atwater below http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/51560 Madera Amtrak 2 EV Plug (J1772) ChargePoint 18770 Road 26 Madera CA 93638 United States Cost First 4 hours free, then $3/hr afterward Hours 24 hours } http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/55142 Applegate Plaza EV Plug (J1772), 2 CHAdeMO DCFCs, SAE Combo DCFC eVgo 1264 Commerce Ave, Atwater, CA 95301 (877) 455-3833 Cost eVgo membership required Description Highway 99 exit 195 [*83.5mi from previous L3 CHAdeMO EVSE] http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/62831 Fashion Fair Mall EV Plug (J1772), 2 CHAdeMO DCFCs, SAE Combo DCFC eVgo 563 E Shaw Ave Fresno, CA 93710 (877) 455-3833 Cost eVgo membership required Hours 24/7 Description Highway 41 exit 132 [*65.9mi from previous L3 CHAdeMO EVSE] http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/1404 Nissan of Visalia 2 EV Plug (J1772)s, CHAdeMO DCFC eVgo 830 S Ben Maddox Way, Visalia, CA 93292 (877) 455-3833 Cost $9.95 for up to 30 mins on Level 3 DC; Level 2 is free Hours Business Hours: Monday - Friday 9:00 AM - 8:00 PM Saturday 9:00 AM - 7:00 PM Sunday 11:00 AM - 6:00 PM Description Highway 198 exit 107B (Ben Maddox Way) [*50.3mi from previous L3 CHAdeMO EVSE] {Optional L2 EVSE if EV has less than 90mi range http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/40340 Delano Regional Medical Center EV Plug (J1772) SemaCharge 1401 Garces Highway Delano, CA 93215 (661) 725-4800 Hours 24/7 Description Two SemaConnect chargers in the employee lot on the right as you drive in main entrance. Units face a long row of Dr. Only parking spaces that are rarely full, parking directly behind the chargers and accessible to them is employee only parking. No EV-only signage; many potentially useful spaces ICEd but Dr. parking was never full. Use Semacharge RFID card, or Pay w/PlugShare and you have to switch on the breaker under the gray box attached to the unit to get power. There does not appear to be a fee. } http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/1459 Bakersfield Nissan EV Plug (J1772), CHAdeMO DCFC 2800 Pacheco Rd, Bakersfield CA 93313 (661) 835-8600 Hours Monday thru Friday 9:00am till 9:00pm Saturday 9:00am till 8:00pm Sunday 10:00am till 7:00pm Description 24 hour access via service entrance [*84.7mi from previous L3 CHAdeMO EVSE] {Optional L2 EVSE if EV has less than 90mi range http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/65445 Tehachapi City Hall 2 EV Plug (J1772)s ChargePoint 6.6kW Shared 115 S Robinson St Tehachapi, CA 93561 (661) 822-2200 Cost $0.35/kWh Hours 24/7 } http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/51793 Museum of Art and History CHAdeMO DCFC eVgo 665 W Lancaster Blvd Lancaster, CA 93534 (877) 455-3833 Cost 24 hours daily; eVgo network subscription and key fob required Hours 24/7 [*87.9mi from previous L3 CHAdeMO EVSE] - As always it is important for a driver planning to take a long trip to read the comments of each of the plugshare listing site they plan to use. Those comments can tell a lot of issues, concerns, and how-to's to get the charge they want. In the past with the huge void in public EVSE, this type of trip was a serious challenge for non Tesla EV drivers. Now, it is a different story. Both the L3 and L2 EVSE is much more available. *But the driver does have-to do their home work on a long trip of what EVSE network rfid cards to bring (eVgo, ChargePoint, Blink) and or what their associated telephone numbers are to call to pay turn to turn them on. There were wide-gaps (over 60mi) between some sites, which would knock EVs that do not have that range. But I think that is not as serious a challenge as Lawrence' post was worded. A two hour L2 charge in-between would likely allow the driver to get a meal and the trip to continue. Yes, I too have also stated what Lawrence did. The layout of public EVSE has been done not with input from the drivers that will use it, but for some other (profitable) reasons. Thus instead of public EVSE being first installed as a contiguous chain so driver can get from point a to b and back, there are too many too close together that few use (so the media complains lack of use), and not enough where it is needed to reach destinations. Yes, I agree public CA EVSE was installed bass-ackwards [ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bass+ackwards ] Bottom Line: If you look at the miles between L3 EVSE, it is less about range angst, and more about having the range to overcome stupidly installed public EVSE (not the fault of the EV, but is the fault of EVSE installers). *** Put public EVSE where it is really needed first (in a contiguous chain ~50 energy-miles apart at and between major destinations). For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ {brucedp.150m.com} - [ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Gaps-in-San-Francisco-to-LA-EV-fast-charging-tp4678453.html It looks like if you drive a SAE fast charge car you are limited to the 101 freeway along the coast. If you drive Chademo you must take the 99 freeway through Bakersfield. There are gaps in both systems on either route. Chademo Salinas to Solvang 193 miles. SAE Fresno to Sherman Oaks 207 miles. I was looking at a map of stations on Plugshare and all across the country there are huge gaps with the fast chargers concentrated in urban centers. Exactly the opposite of how it should be. Lawrence Rhodes ] - -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/L3-EVSE-for-400mi-SF-LA-EV-trip-they-could-have-done-it-better-tp4678456.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
