Hi Michael and All,                              My Volt 
pack has kept itself within 1/100th of a volt/cell of each other in 5 months 
and who knows how long before I got it.                             Using a 
Lightobject wthr meter EVTV uses to keep the voltage within bounds of 5%-95% 
shutting off charge, discharge along with multiple LeeHart battbridges to alert 
if something is going wrong which can also cut off the pack by a 
phototransistor circuit should do fine.                              Not sure 
if he was only using their version of the wthr meter  as one should always have 
2 systems in case one fails.                              But he did say he 
programed the cut off wrong is what I got out of the post ,meaning human error. 
                             As a full BMS has a lot more failure points thus 
not fool proof either, my version should do fine as if starting to 
overcharge/discharge the Battbridge will detect it if the wthr meter alarm/shut 
off fails .                              Aftermarket BMS don't have the best 
record either and  cost 30-50% of the battery price of used quality cells their 
value isn't what others say.                             Now if we can hack the 
stock BMS from the EV's the batteries come from would be another story.  But 
until then of aftermarket systems get better, cheaper I'll stick my way.        
                     BTW in case people are interested 21kwhrs of Tesla modules 
at about $4500 are on Ebay under electric vehicle batteries.                    
                                                                       Jerry 
Dycus
       From: Michael Ross via EV <[email protected]>
 To: paul dove <[email protected]>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
<[email protected]> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2015 1:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Rickard's EVTV let the smoke out> overcharged pack fire 
blew up
   
I think the self discharge complaint is growing less all the time - with
good quality cells.  But really large packs beg prudence.  A golf cart
packs, like Jack sells which will be operated by non EV types, gets real
benefit from his bottom balancing and sealing.  The little 10AH 48V packs
used in light EVs and bikes are a analogous - small, operated by the
unwashed.

Whatever is done, a really dependable charge cut off function must be part
of any system.

Our ability to evaluate cell quality, and BMS quality and function is still
suspect (particularly for the cash strapped DIYer; as opposed to a large
company with real money to command action) so I expect this argument to
continue, and it should.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:03 PM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> wrote:

> There is no evidence thus far to support that theory.
> It could have been a pack he uses to power his bench or one he was
> charging to put in a car.
> He does all sorts of crazy experiments like test the sag while pulling
> 1000 amps.
> From the article it didn't sound like it was in a car.
>
  
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