[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/What-about-Faraday-Future-tp4682227.html What about Faraday Future? From: Gail Lucas Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 ... 1-Does anyone have an opinion on Faraday Future?
2-They are planning a large EV manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, with help from the state. 3-They appear to be representing themselves as another Tesla but do not yet seem to have a vehicle prototype, only exciting drawings. 4-They are also working on building a manufacturing plant in CA. 5-Usually there is a lot of discussion on this list if an EV looks promising and I am wondering if there was and I missed it. 6-Do any of you resident EV experts know anything about Faraday? 7-Nevada State Treasurer Dan Schwartz was on KNPR recently and expressed some doubt about the company, which is what prompted me to send this message. http://knpr.org/knpr/2016-05/nv-treasurer-questions-faradays-future ] [Warning: I had a yummy Indonesian iced coffee today (can you say espresso?), so I am both sugar and caffeine buzzed right now (perhaps not a good thing for a person with a heart condition, and I likely will have a tough time getting to sleep tonight). *Some of the following is OT for the evdl.org] 1 & 7- % Opinion? or the lack of one? IMO the Bottom Line: Because of FFuture's secrecy, and lack of any tangible EV production evidence, there really isn't anything to grab a hold of to form an opinion, but that void leaves plenty of room for EV fear mongering which PBS is famous for. So many times over the many years I have been following the media outlets, have I seen PBS tout their backward views on EV-things they really knew nothing about. In the 1990's, there were PBS reports with EV-thinking (facts and factoids) from the 1950's. In the 2000's when there was something to be concerned about (with GM flaunting the loophole so that they could just sell/give-away golf-carts to satisfy the CARB requirement, and later how OIl/Auto kicked the teeth out of CARB, and got the GW's backing to slam CARB via the EPA). No, PBS just talked like EVs were back in the 1960's, rather than how bad things were at that time, who was the cause and why (they did not want to rock the Big-Boy's boat). When it got close to the 2010 launch of production EVs, PBS still had archaic backward views and opinions that only spewed their EV ignorance, even though they should have had plenty of time to do proper journalism. For a media outlet that touts themselves as being so professional, that their journalism can not be questioned, they have blown it too many times for me to see anything from them about EVs except what stirs the pot (like this, fear-mongering without any facts ... ). % 2- % Yup ... % http://www.rgj.com/story/money/business/2016/05/25/faraday-start-moving-staff-equipment-north-las-vegas/84884990/ Faraday to start moving staff, equipment to North Las Vegas May 24, 2016 NORTH LAS VEGAS - Electric carmaker Faraday Future says it's moving heavy equipment and a handful of employees to North Las Vegas early next month ... Faraday says it will move six workers to a new office located in the North Las Vegas City Hall building, with a plan to have 30 employees there by the end of the year. State lawmakers met in December to authorize up to $335 million in tax incentives and infrastructure improvements for the company and its future home at Apex Industrial Park. A state board last week approved spending $500,000 to start a program to train future Faraday factory workers ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Faraday-cn-picks-N-Las-Vegas-NV-to-open-1B-U-S-EV-plant-tp4679153.html EVLN: Faraday.cn picks N.Las_Vegas-NV to open $1B U.S. EV plant Dec 11, 2015 3- % Another prototype shown % http://www.readingeagle.com/drivetime/article/chinese-firm-behind-faraday-future-unveils-first-sedan-type-electric-vehicle Chinese firm behind Faraday Future unveils first sedan-type electric vehicle May 1, 2016 ... BEIJING - LeEco, the Chinese company behind the secretive automaker Faraday Future, unveiled its first mainstream-model car April 20 in Beijing: a sleek, white four-door electric sedan with suicide doors called the LeSEE. http://www.readingeagle.com/storyimage/RE/20160501/DRIVETIME/305019976/AR/0/AR-305019976.jpg&q=80&MaxW=550&MaxH=400&RCRadius=5 The company had shown a Batmobile-esque electric vehicle called the FFZERO1 ... a production vehicle is apparently still a ways out ... http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/05/teslas-rise-has-inspired-a-dozen-new-electric-vehicle-rivals/ Tesla’s Rise Has Inspired A Dozen New Electric Vehicle Rivals May 26, 2016 ... This set of companies has raised hundreds of millions from prominent venture capitalists in a ... % Which inspired ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Tesla-wannabe-ticks-and-other-parasites-tp4682025.html % 4- % FFuture is eyeballing Vallejo-CA Naval (which has toxic waste to be clean up) % http://www.techwire.net/market-news/faraday-future-could-set-up-shop-on-mare-island-vallejo.html Faraday Future Could Set Up Shop on Mare Island, Vallejo MAY 25, 2016 ... an employee base that can be trained to build cars, and a strong market for electric vehicles and new technology ... http://e97f7d10b0a403e208e5-9fbee7de8d51db511b5de86d75069107.r75.cf1.rackcdn.com/6079029978_eb9ac47a3f_b.jpg http://www.timesheraldonline.com/article/NH/20160524/NEWS/160529931 Vallejo eyes partnership with car facility for Mare Island [05/24/2016] ... A special Vallejo City Council meeting is set for May 31 ... Faraday Future is a 2-year-old private California corporation based in Los Angeles, where its research and development operations are housed, according to the announcement. The company employs more than 760 people in the United States and 200 more worldwide, it says ... The waterfront property that would be the subject of the negotiations is 157 acres on North Mare Island with entitlements for more than 1 million square feet of light industrial, office and commercial uses ... Both the city and Faraday Future confirmed the site would require significant work to prepare it for use. “Faraday Future recognizes that the site requires backbone infrastructure, demolition of existing buildings, and other site work to address the geotechnical conditions that are estimated to exceed $50 million,” city staff said. If a final agreement is reached, the city is expected to hand over the site to the company “as is,” due to the amount of work needed to rehab the site, according to the same staff report. The company will supply a $200,000 fee to the city, along with paying for Vallejo’s legal and consultant fees associated with the project. That fee is expected to be at least $372,000, staff said ... The company’s 3-million-square-foot, $1 billion North Las Vegas manufacturing facility is projected to start producing vehicles in a couple of years ... http://fas.org/man/company/shipyard/mare_island.htm Mare Island Naval Shipyard (MINS) ... Mare Island's high point in World War II, when the shipyard population reached 46,000. Drydocks, cranes, waste-handling facilities, and offices were located at the shipyard. Activities supporting nuclear power propulsion systems were performed in accordance with the requirements and authority of the Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program, a joint DOE and U.S. Department of Navy program responsible for all activities relating to naval nuclear propulsion ... Over 140 years of operations, various activities at Mare Island NSY generated hazardous wastes including: metal plating; lead acid battery repair; oil handling and reclamation; abrasive blasting; discharge of contaminated waste water to Mare Island Strait; landfill disposal of solvents, polychlorinated biphenyl (PCB) contaminated fluids, asbestos, and other hazardous wastes; disposal of contraband and miscellaneous ordnance, and murcuric substances; the detonation of projectiles, war-heads, and high explosives; and overhauling nuclear powered submarines ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farallon_Islands#Nuclear_waste_dump From 1946 to 1970, the sea around the Farallones was used as a nuclear dumping site for radioactive waste under the authority of the Atomic Energy Commission at a site known as the Farallon Island Nuclear Waste Dump ... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Farallon_nuclear_waste_dumping.png http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/article/NE/20150416/NEWS/150419764 Scientists find radioactive WWII aircraft carrier off San Francisco coast 04/16/15 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/2/183960/- US Army Admits Dumping Tons of Poisons, Nerve Gases, and Radioactive Waste in the Oceans for decades 2006/02/02 ... The Army now admits it dumped 64 MILLION pounds of nerve and mustard gas agents, 400,000 chemical filled bombs, landmines, and rockets, and more than 500 TONS of radioactive waste into the seas. This is a disaster beyond description, and affects every living thing on Earth. ... God, no wonder the whales and dolphins occasionally beach themselves en masse! ... % Nearby Alameda-CA NAS had a huge amount of nasty waste that had to be cleaned up ... % https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Alameda#Superfund_cleanup_site Superfund cleanup site[edit] NAS Alameda was listed as a Superfund cleanup site on 22 July 1999. 25 locations on the base were identified as needing remediation. The largest of the individual locations is the West Beach Landfill which occupies approximately 110 acres (44.5 ha) in the southwestern corner of the base. Tests of the landfill indicate polychlorinated biphenyl (PCB) contamination. % So, IMO so will MINS. % 5- % You have nailed it >if it looks promising< ... media outlets are paid to make it look promising. I have not posted much about FFuture, except for: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Faraday-cn-picks-N-Las-Vegas-NV-to-open-1B-U-S-EV-plant-tp4679153.html EVLN: Faraday.cn picks N.Las_Vegas-NV to open $1B U.S. EV plant Dec 11, 2015 If and when I do find something we can get our EV teeth into, I will post it ... But a look at the evdl.org archive shows neither have other members: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=%22Faraday+Future%22&sort=date So it isn't just me that has not found anything that is promising about FFuture (as of yet). Most of what I have seen is just trolling for investment$ noise % 6- % I have been reading their items, following along, but the jist is: http://www.timesheraldonline.com/article/NH/20160524/NEWS/160529931 Vallejo eyes partnership with car facility for Mare Island [05/24/2016] ... The company has previously confirmed to other media outlets that Chinese billionaire Jia Yueting, CEO of the Chinese media giant LeEco, has invested in Faraday Future ... [video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spsVY7gNX8 Promo video of LeEco's 'LeSee' all-electric car concept 1:11 Apr 20, 2016 - Uploaded by Electrek.co LeEco shows off its 'LeSee' all-electric car concept [Gallery]: ... ] http://www.forbes.com/profile/jia-yueting/ #308 Jia Yueting Real Time Net Worth As of 5/28/16 $4.7 Billion Age 43 Source Of Wealth online video, Self Made Residence Beijing, China Jia Yueting chairs Leshi Internet Information & Technology Beijing, known as Leshi TV, one of China's most popular online video sites. In the U.S., Jia is backing new electric car firm Faraday Future, which unveiled a concept car at the Consumer Electronics Show in January 2016. Jack Ma's YF Capital and Wang Jianlin's Wanda Investment invested in Jia's privately-held sports news site "Le Sports" in May 2015. Jia once worked in tech support in a tax office in Shanxi Province. Early in his career he set up Sinotel, a wireless telecom company that went public in Singapore in 2008. 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