I don't think this is the case. Nuclear plants which in North America we have
plenty need to put out a base amount but they can also be used very effectively
for peak power needs. It will be a very long time before there is so much
solar ( which produces during peak) that we put the nuclear facilities in North
America out of business. They will continue to produce the base requirements
at night. My hope is that there will soon be no need for fossil fuel plants. I
don't know how it is in the u.s. but in canada we are currently being sold a
bill of goods with turbines. (Someone's getting rich and it's not the rate
payers or the land owners) at any rate wind adds well to the shoulder times as
they at least here seem to generate early morning and late night most
consistently.
Nick
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From: Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]>
Date: 2016-08-13 12:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Robert Bruninga <[email protected]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion List
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar haves and have nots
Robert,
You're probably right on the peak power rates. But I think the power
companies have a legitimate concern. That doesn't justify stonewalling.
The issue I see is what happens when solar generation is insufficient.
If residents are installing solar panels but no backup supply, then they
are relying on the grid to generate power when they cannot. That means
the utilities have to build full capacity power generation regardless if
it gets used regularly or hardly at all.
Currently, they use much of their capacity all the time and, thus, can
recoup their investment over a large degree of usage. Alternatively, if
they have to build the same capacity and recoup their investment just
during occasional peak usage, I suspect their peak rates will need to be
a lot higher than they currently are.
That said, such an arrangement, with mitigation, might not be so bad. It
would encourage people to install backup storage and reduce the
utility's need to build out.
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <[email protected]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: 13-Aug-16 9:26:59 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Solar haves and have nots
>The argument that solar people (many with EV's) are getting an unfair
>good
>deal at the expense of other rate payers is hogwash, yet the fossil
>fuel
>industry lobbyists and big money are promoting it to fight solar.
>
>I just had an emiphany...
>
>We all know that home solar is actually a big win to the utilities
>since
>they are getting our solar power at the standard 10 cent rate when in
>fat,
>they are paying 5 to ten times that during the daily peak to meet peak
>demand. And the proof is in every electric bill in Maryland. All
>customers have smart meters, and the utility says THEY WILL PAY
>EVERYONE
>$1.50 PER KWH for every KWH THAT THEY DO NOT USE ON THESE PEAK SOLAR
>DAYS.
>This proves they are paying more than $1.50 per kWh on those days...
>
>So do not be fed the BS from the utilities and fossil fuel industry
>that
>solar is "costing them money" when in fact they are skimming off the
>profits and taking them straight to the bank.
>
>But solar customers understand that this net profit to the utilities
>for
>their power is what they give up in order to have the grid as their
>storage
>system. So it is a win-win for both (and a lose-lose for the fossil
>fuel
>industry truing to burn every last drop.
>
>HERE IS MY EPIPHANY:
>
>In the past, it was the Fossil fuel people and their dirty PEAKING
>plants
>that were getting paid ten to twenty times the normal rate during PEAK
>solar days, and yet the utilty now is getting the same peak power from
>solar still at the net rate of ten cents. No wonder they feel
>threatened.
>Notice it is not the other rate payers losing money it is the dirty
>fossil
>fuel peak generator suppliers that see the ten-to-1 loss in their dirty
>peakers. And that is exactly as it should be. We need them and their
>dirty power off the grid. The sooner the better.
>
>Sure we need peaking plants, But we do not need to cry over them when
>solar can provide power to the grid at the same time for under 10% of
>their
>dirty costs. So it is not the other rate payers that are complaining,
>it
>is the dirty fossil fuel peaking plans using the good name of "other
>rate
>payers" to divide and conquer us.
>
>Bob Bruninga, WB4APR
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