Damon,
That is exactly why I am teaching myself on everything I can learn
about
the Leaf that I think is necessary,
enjoying the fact that the service manuals are available online and
knowing that Nissan cannot
over-the-air botch up Leafs, since the 2G communication that they have
to control the car charging and airco will stop working end this month
and if you are concerned about the cellular access to the car, then
you
can simply grab the antenna cable behind the
glove box and yank it out of the telemetrics unit.
Also the weakest spot on the Leaf - the battery - appears to be
reasonable good engineered to allow DIY as I have done on several of
them now.
The BMS is stand-alone which is a great benefit, as you can actually
run
battery and BMS outside of the car, even while still in the shell that
Nissan put around the whole thing, only 12V is required to run the BMS
and when you connect CAN bus you can use LeafSpy to log the data from
the 96 cells.
So that is why I am in the process of transplanting two Leaf packs +
BMS
into my EV truck.
In case someone ever wants to give their Leaf a better battery pack,
all
they need is another chemistry that is happy with up to 4.15V charge
and that can fit 96 series cells in the Leaf shell and be
water-proofed
and bolted back under the car...
I am not bothered by the look of the Leaf, though I understand people
who don't like the styling. I simply enjoy the instant-on torque which
allows me to pull away first at a traffic light unless a real muscle
car
is next to me.
Some people go as far as taking the Leaf drivetrain and bolting it
into
another body, which is another way of creating your own EV. I will
soon
have such a vehicle in my garage, once I get the Leaf cells hooked up
in
my US Electricar truck.
BTW, the millions of other people's money you refer to, I presume that
you talk about the deposits?
Because the claims of Tesla taking billions of subsidies have already
been debunked and Tesla was the first car maker to pay back their govt
bail-out loans,
so I think that Tesla is doing an admirable job of staying at the
healthy side of financial responsibility.
Regards,
Cor van de Water
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From: damon henry [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:11 AM
To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 4th-gen is the "smartest" 42ED EV yet r:160km
ts:130kph,0-100kph:11.5s
Yes, there are Leafs all over the place here in Portland as well, but
I'm not sure what price Nissan has paid for this. Between government
subsidies and the investment that Nissan has made, I'm not sure that
the
Leaf or any other OEM EV has secured a viable future yet. I
personally
think the Leaf is hideous to look at so will not buy one.
I love the idea of buying an OEM EV though. I hope I continue to see
a
variety available for purchase. It looks like there are a few of the
new Chevy Bolts at dealerships in Portland now, so I hope to go try
one
out in person soon.
I'm also hoping the Tesla influence pans out well. I do worry that
the
whole Tesla house of cards may come crumbling to the ground. So far
Tesla has proven that by spending billions of other peoples dollars
they
can put some pretty cool cars on the road. Hopefully the investors'
faith in Tesla will payoff with a whole new paradigm in the automotive
industry and they will be a successful and profitable company.
I spent the first 9 months of 2016 working at PGE in downtown
Portland,
which is one of the centers of EV everything on the west coast. I
enjoyed daily seeing a variety of OEM EVs plugged into the charging
stations out front. There is still not nearly the selection to choose
from as there is for "normal" vehicles, but there has never been a
time
when you had so many to choose from. If you see something you like,
you
can simply write a check and it can be yours, but it still feels a bit
fleeting to me. I worry that I will wake up someday in the very near
future and I'll be back to having to build my own...
Damon
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During commute times, almost every 5th car that you see on the road in
Silicon Valley is a Leaf so I'd say that for intended purpose, this is
a
very successful OEM car.
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:26 AM
To: Bill Dube; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 4th-gen is the "smartest" 42ED EV yet r:160km
ts:130kph,0-100kph:11.5s
Successful OEM electric vehicle??? Has there truly been one yet?
Perhaps the Nissan Leaf, but I think the jury is still out on whether
this EV thing will ever work out or not. I'm hopeful it will.
As far as EVs and transmissions I agree with you that they are not
generally necessary on vehicles engineered from the ground up as
electric, but perhaps one will make sense in someone's
engineering/cost
tradeoff list.
I have the original transmission in my Datsun Truck Conversion and it
is
quite nice, but it is there because it was free and allowed me to use
a
smaller motor and provides a reverse gear. On my motorcycle
conversion
I have a single gear ratio direct drive and that's fine too.
Damon
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:11:52 AM
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CVT transmission? In an EV? Seriously?
<sigh>
No successful OEM electric vehicle has any sort of transmission, at
least none that I am aware of.
Touting a transmission on a prototype EV is a huge red flag. It shows
that the design team is very inexperienced (or was overruled by
management, which has the same result, unfortunately.)
We can hope that the journalist that wrote the article got the facts
wrong.
Bill D.
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