> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:58:13 -0500
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Curtis 1231c physical disassembly - cut the rear panel or 
> not?
> From: [email protected]

I change the name, as it don't have any curtis info.
Still interesting subject about the fuel we use to drive our ev:s
 and it does indeed relate to Ev:s,  i think
 
>
>> CFBs and LEDs are inherently more complex and costly
>> than old incandescents. But we’ve “externalized” those costs
>> (and their carbon footprint and energy of production) to China,
>> which is using cheap coal for goods production ...

mmm
We buy it, so we did choose this power solution for our products?


> The excuse of "china" and their coal consumption is so 2008 legacy and
> triggers a response...
>
> Every person in China got the message at the 2008 Olympics that coal was
> killing them. SInce then China has so completely reversed course that they
> are eating our lunch. In 2013 they installed more solar and wind in one
> year than we have done to date. And this year, their investment in solar
> and wind is DOUBLE the entire investment of the USA in clean energy. We are
> even behind the Europeans I think.
> China is phasing out coal faster than we are, switching to solar and wind
> faster than we are, and now with our new administration we are even going
> backwards by promising to shut down clean energy ( and 13 million new
> forward thinking jobs) and to restore COAL (and only a few thousand
> dead-end jobs).
>
> I fear we hold on too long to the news of the past and we are not thinking
> clearly to the future...


-Se this! for some great POSITIVE info about the progress in china! (and US to)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAqjcpGwFB4



> Glad to hear the BOLT won top honors at the Autoshows! and it is AMERICAN!
> Bob

Im not sure that is a good thing , :-) 
 they(us) build cars that dont last long 
enough, crappy rust protection, on purpose ?

have you seen a 10-15 year old us-car used in a climate 
where it is wet and salty (Sweden for example) Normal car have not started to 
rust yet,   
Many US or german made cars have HOLES. or already gone to the scrapyard.

at least 20 years life as a family car would be a minimum target to aim for?



Opel/gm dont dare to sell them here at all now... 
not in 2017, maybe not even 2018 :-( 

Bolt/ampera (They call it "opel amperae as GM dont sell the Cheverolet brand 
any more, they try to kill its best brand names, to use "opel" that many people 
relate to as a low end crap-brand with electrical failures )
 
Bolt Could probably be an ok car here to, if they use a decent paint and normal 
rust protection 
(Ask Volvo how to do it right.. My 17 years old car in salt spray and no vax 
ever, still no rust..) 
Bolt would be very interesting car at our market, ..right now, probably a 
massive hit, 
Gmboltopelampeerae have a BIG "time to market" advantage, NOW,  
but still they chose to not sell it, at all.. wtf..??
vw, daimler and many others lags behind in the timeline. 

They did not even bother to show up at the EV-fair show in Gothenburg and 
Stockholm recently, plenty of Teslas, BMW, KISaSoul, Nissan, and so on,
most other producers did show up, even very strange things like Toyota Mirai 
..that cant be charged at home at all... and have very very crapy primary 
energy / mile consumption. (things that they refused to answer questions about. 
"Toyuta dont know how much energy/km it consumes", -yea.. sure! :-)  

And they have only 4 "gas-stations" in the whole country..
Still they got plenty media coverage anyway, So just imagine what the 
Amperae with its eu-"500" km range would have seen!

I find it Very very strange that they dont even dare to show 
the cars here now, take pre-pay-preorders and so on, 
 in a time when they have one of the best performer,
 ..at the moment.

But I am very glad to see that they DO sell them in Norway now!
and at a good pricepoint to, it seems: 299 NOK 
(a lot of money, but still "cheap" compared to norway-gas cars, that is heavy 
taxed)
EL-cars get Several benefits in the cities to, can drive by clogged roads in 
the Buss-lanes, tax benifits, sometimes free charging, sometimes free parking 
in expensive city center, and so on.

299 000 NOK , That is today about 34 000 usd I think, 
 including winter package, heated steering wheel, and front seat, etc.
 AND also including the DC slowcharging option. (But 50kW only, so probably 
that thing is not compatible with our 150kW chargers, or the upcoming 300+)

http://www.opel.no/kjoretoy/opel-serie/biler/ampera-e/models-specification.html


/ John
                                          
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