Hi Michael, But now we are talking about complaining about self-inflicted wounds...
Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Ross [mailto:michael.e.r...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 12:46 PM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] 800mi Bolt trip ... (San Jose<>LA on ccs) "Apparently this EV driver has not yet made the switch into an EV driving mindset and the result is (as can be expected) less than enjoyable, as all the reports we have read from ICE drivers trying out an EV for a road trip. There are as well, a decent sized group of people who will not be happy under any circumstance, or at least will naturally gravitate to a critical stance. The idea of deferred rather than instant gratification eludes a portion of humanity and that is not really changeable. On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > If someone has a self-confessed lead foot and wants to do a 320 mile > one-way trip in a car that *can* do about 240 miles if driven carefully, > why does the owner and apparently experienced EV driver not come to the > simple realization that either she should not take the EV if she > *averages* 80 MPH which is insanity if you need to do long range in an > EV, or realize that the only way to make good time is to *slow down*, > since the trip would be trivial if she slows to 55 MPH and makes the > distance Gilroy - Bakersfield via the shortest route on I5 in one leg. > Granted, slowing down to 55 instead of averaging 80 over the distance > will bring that part of the trip time from 3 hours to just over 4 hours, > but the advantage of just a short top-up charge in Gilroy and only > needing a half charge in Bakerfield for the remaining 110 miles to > Pasadena means that there would be very little additional waiting time > for charging. > > This reads almost like the classic tale of the hare and the turtle, the > latter winning the race due to his constant progress, while the first > wastes his time on trivial matters. > > In this case, they would have needed almost 6 hours of driving a > constant 55 MPH plus probably twice half hour for charging and that is > seriously less than the time they now took in many charging sessions > while trying to average 80 MPH on the road... > It is helpful to look at the big picture, instead of focusing on the ICE > habit of driving as fast as possible and ending up wasting hours upon > hours in trying to refuel this wrong mindset. > Apparently this EV driver has not yet made the switch into an EV driving > mindset and the result is (as can be expected) less than enjoyable, as > all the reports we have read from ICE drivers trying out an EV for a > road trip. > > Cor van de Water > Chief Scientist > Proxim Wireless > > office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water > XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info > > http://www.proxim.com > > This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and > proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received > this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any > unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of > this message is prohibited. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman > via EV > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 8:42 AM > To: brucedp5; ev@lists.evdl.org > Subject: Re: [EVDL] 800mi Bolt trip ... (San Jose<>LA on ccs) > > I simply think it shows that EVs aren't ready for mainstream yet. At > least not as the only car available for all purposes. Close, yes. More > range might help but probaby the key factor is faster charging. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "brucedp5 via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: > Sent: 10-Mar-17 1:07:12 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] 800mi Bolt trip ... (San Jose<>LA on ccs) > >> >> >>[ref >>http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-800m i > -Bolt-trip-w-EV-ignorant-Mom-amp-teen-angst-gt-20kW-ccs-EVSE-frustrated- > td4686115.html >>EVLN: 800mi Bolt trip w/ EV-ignorant Mom& teen-angst> ~20kW ccs EVSE >>frustrated >>] >> >>I do not consider that an EV horror story. But a story of how to take >>an >>ill-prepared trip (of course they would have problems). >> >>I drove my EV on several long trips way, way back when public EVSE was >>just >>a glimmer in every EV'rs eye. After reading the mother's story, this >>EV-advocate old-timer had several things I would have done differently. >> >>I would have done my road-trip homework ahead of time. Chargepoint >>(using >>either their app or their web page) is a lousy tool to know what public > >>EVSE >>is available when compared to the free-to-use >>https://www.plugshare.com >> >>I set plugshare to only show ccs level-3 (L3) and j1772 L2. After >>adjusting >>the map to show San Jose, CA at the top, it showed, highway 99 & >>highway 101 >>had ccs L3 charging to get to Pasadena, CA (the LA area). >> >>Since the amount of time charging was a complaint the mother had, I >>would >>have chosen the route that has as many full powered (50kW) L3 EVSE as >>possible. Looking at the L3 on Hwy 101, some were only half powered >>(24kW). >>But the L3 on Hwy 99 were full power. I would want most of the trip to >>be on >>Hwy 99. >> >>The EVSE were EVgo and plugshare showed that. The mother could have >>gotten >>an EVgo account before the trip. Clearly, she depended on Chargepoint >>to >>solve all her charging needs too heavily. >> >>I used google maps >>https://goo.gl/maps/se1HF6CZeEE2 >>to plan a route from San Jose east to Hwy 99, then south to a L3 EVSE >>in >>Visalia. Using the details on that map shows that Visalia is at the >>~200 >>mile point. And Pasadena is another 200 miles. Meaning only one L3 >>charging >>would be needed to make the entire 400 mile trip, and only one L3 >>charge >>would be needed on the return trip. >> >>My mostly Hwy 99 route goes south from San Jose, cuts over east on Hwy >>152 >>to Hwy 99 going south. Hwy 99 merges with Hwy 5 at Bakersfield. Hwy 5 >>will >>take the Mom& teen south to Pasadena. >> >>My route has the most full-power L3 charging to keep range angst to a >>minimum, and lets the couple only need one L3 quick charging stop. >> >> >>My complaint with this story is that the story was worded to leave the >>EV-ignorant feeling EVs are not-ready for prime time. >>If I drove a Bolt EV on that trip, my prep would have made for an >>easier >>time, with far fewer complaints >>(because when it comes to EVs on long trips, I know what I am doing). >> >> >> >> >>For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: >>http://evdl.org/evln/ >> >> >>{brucedp.neocities.org} >> >>-- >>View this message in context: >>http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-800mi- B > olt-trip-San-Jose-LA-on-ccs-tp4686125.html >>Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at >>Nabble.com. >>_______________________________________________ >>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >>Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. 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