Lawrence, I don't think you need to tar Musk like that. He is simply practical - thinking that cars that appeal to the vast majority of drivers and passengers will be loaded with services and comfort, they will be very well appointed, compared to things like a Stella, will thus be heavy, will be very good protection in case of an accident. That sort of car simply cannot be powered with the mere upward pointing area it will have.
Stella and such are cool projects, but I don't want to give up a cushy seat, conditioned surroundings, a great stereo, lots of cargo capacity, won't flip over in a high crosswind, parks in a small space and is easily maneuvered, doesn't have to be located in the sun for any length of time, and not having to think about maintaining it in any particular way other than plugging it in. I get it you don't like this situation, but it isn't going to change. However, Musk has done great work creating the advent of a much cleaner form of transportation- probably with global positive effects. If the fuel supply can be cleaned up and mass transit imported and electrified we will be far better off than had he done nothing. On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 12:37 PM Lawrence Rhodes via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > I can only say that my attempts of education here have failed. I will try > again. Elon is a devious and secretive person. That is fine, he is in > business and needs to protect himself. He is right, his wonderful but piggy > cars are energy hogs. At 5000 pounds he would have to tow a fairly large > array to make the numbers work. However he has something up his sleeve. > Every time I talk to my friends at Tesla about solar vehicles they shut up > like clams. Tesla is well aware of the Cruiser Class(class rules mandate > multiple passengers and a trunk. That is a practical car) at the World > Solar Challenge. Tesla sponsors that class. Many higher ups at Tesla are > solar team alums. They know what it takes and it isn't the current crop of > Tesla design. Neither is it a rolling ping pong table. Here is what works. > A four wheel vehicle with: a weight of 850 pounds, CD of .016, a 15kw > battery, 1.5kw solar array & seating for 4. This design in the 2015 World > Solar Challenge set a record over two days on one full charge of 931 miles. > This design was so successful that the rules were changed in 2017 reducing > the size of the solar array. I hope now with this information everyone > will realize that solar vehicles are indeed possible technically. Can they > be manufactured successfully? I don't know. However they exist. Three > generations have been built by the students of Eindhoven University in the > Nederland's and have won all three challenges in the Cruiser class started > in 2013. The Challenge is bi-annual. These vehicles can go 400 miles just > on the battery. With solar they are capable of 45mph just on the array. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_(solar_vehicles)https://www.google.com/search?q=three+generations+of+stella+solar+vehicles&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwixuczNoZPfAhXhgVQKHRQ3BBQQ_AUIDygC&biw=1579&bih=891So > please don't be so happy to think solar vehicles are not possible. Just > not the way you want them to be. These vehicles meet Dutch crash standards > but they do use racing harnesses and have no air bags. The 2017 Stella Vie > is a 5 passenger vehicle. Lawrence Rhodes > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181209/7438361c/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181209/54d1e9b9/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
