And Ducati just announced they have an electric motorcycle (EM) that will see production "soon". The EM market is about to go from one player to four in quick succession. The interesting part is that an industry insider recently reported that Zero, the market leader, sold only 750 units in 2018. So it.s a market that has nothing but room to grow as soon as it captures more hearts and minds. More choices can only help that. Judging from the level of ignorance I see on motorcycle forums, hearts and minds are still the biggest obstacle.
Chris On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:50 AM Paul Compton via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > US$30K for the Livewire and only another 8K to buy Lightning's road > legal race bike, the LS218. > > Even worse, Lightning have just announced their new road oriented > machine starting at US$13K > > > On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 at 02:50, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://infosurhoy.com/cocoon/saii/xhtml/en_GB/news/no-juice-for-harley-davidsons-turnaround-livewire-is-a-nonstarter/ > > No Juice For Harley Davidson’s Turnaround: LiveWire Is A Nonstarter > > Jan 15, 2019 Denis Bedoya > > > > What the heck is Harley-Davidson thinking? Its long-awaited electric > > LiveWire motorcycle is now ready for pre-order pending shipment in > August, > > but instead of making an accessible, high-performance machine that could > > jump-start a sales renaissance, it instead delivered another > premium-priced > > bike that underperforms the competition. > > > > Motorcycle enthusiasts and investors waited five years to see what Harley > > would come out with, and this is how they’ve been rewarded. To > shareholders > > who hoped the LiveWire would spark Harley’s turnaround, I have some > advice: > > Pull the plug on that dream now, because it isn’t going to happen. > > > > More of the same > > > > Make no mistake, the 2020 LiveWire is a beauty. It accelerates from 0 to > 60 > > mph in 3.5 seconds (with “futuristic sound!”) and offers riders “twist > and > > go” technology that requires no clutch or gear shifting. There’s a Level > 1 > > onboard battery charger so that you can plug into any normal outlet and > > charge the bike overnight, or you can visit a public Level 3 DC Fast > Charge > > station for speedier charging — typically 20 minutes to an hour. > > > > Where Harley-Davidson is short-circuiting its vision is on the price: the > > LiveWire retails for just under $30,000, meaning that within the > company’s > > lineup, only the trikes and ultra high-end CVO bikes are more expensive. > And > > while its battery range of 110 miles on a single charge in urban driving > > conditions is better than the 60 miles the prototype offered, it’s still > > less than the ranges of electric motorcycles already on the market. > > Relatively few people will want or be able to buy this bike. > > > > By contrast, the Model S from Zero Motorcycles, which has been dubbed the > > “Tesla of motorcycles,” comes with its new, more powerful ZF14.4 battery. > > When outfitted with an optional Power Tank (which provides an additional > 3.6 > > kilowatt hours of battery storage), Zero’s e-bike can do 223 miles of > city > > driving or almost 100 miles on the highway, and it sells for half the > price > > of a LiveWire. Notably, the LiveWire can only manage 70 miles of highway > > riding on a charge, meaning you won’t be taking it out for many long > Sunday > > morning jaunts in the country. > > > > Missing the market > > > > Harley has experienced a four-year sales slump as buyers turn away from > > expensive, chrome-laden, big-block engine bikes like those the industry > > leader is famous for. Instead, a ridership demographic that is tilting > > younger and increasingly female has been favoring leaner, lighter, and > > cheaper motorcycles. > > > > Harley did get the look right: You’d be hard-pressed to find any chrome > on > > the LiveWire, and as the frame is made out of cast aluminum, it’s > probably > > light enough to offset what is likely a heavy battery. And the company > built > > plenty of “connectivity” into the bike — you can use your smartphone to > > check battery life, the bike’s location, and tamper notifications. > > > > But if the urban market is what Harley-Davidson was targeting with the > > LiveWire — and its “All Roads Lead to Harley” roadmap it laid out last > > summer said the wave of electric bikes coming would be “light, nimble and > > ready to tackle the urban landscape” — well, 30 large is likely going to > > prove too high a number for folks to plunk down on a motorcycle just to > get > > around the city. > > > > Indeed, the price tag makes it difficult to tell if Harley-Davidson is > > really committed to electric motorcycles — or even if it’s serious about > > pulling itself out of its sales slump. > > > > The LiveWire won’t make the short list for most motorcycle shoppers, even > > those considering an e-bike. And if Harley doesn’t generate sufficient > sales > > now, how is it going to commit more resources to future models? > > > > This seems to me like a failure in the making, and for anyone who hoped > the > > LiveWire was the bike Harley-Davidson mounted to jump-start its > turnaround, > > this is where you get of > > [© infosurhoy.com] > > > > > > [ref > > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-30k-HD-LiveWire-e-motorcycle-opens-a-few-eyes-in-August-tp4692508.html > > ] > > > > > > + > > > https://newatlas.com/panasonic-space-c-modular-electric-vehicle-architecture/57993/ > > Panasonic's modular SPACe_C EV concept vehicle supports interchangeable > > bodies > > January 10, 2019 Going fully electric and autonomous can beautifully > > liberate the architecture of vehicles. It allows the cabin or cargo hold > to > > be completely separate from the ... > > > https://img.newatlas.com/panasonic-space-c-modular-electric-vehicle-architecture-2.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&fit=max&q=60&w=1000&s=aacdd780b1b6cfe5aa40ef918d6f8631 > > > > > > > > > > For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: > > http://evdl.org/archive/ > > > > > > {brucedp.neocities.org} > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > -- > Paul Compton > www.morini-mania.co.uk > www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel) > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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