Hello Bruce and all, I was thinking that another tactic to counter the publicity of the EV fires is to share data about vehicle fires in general, and compare that with fire data of electric vehicles. It might start with a table like this one from the NFPA (the same folks that prove the code books for our electrical codes). Just a thought...
-Tom True 1. News & Research <https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research> 2. Data, research, and tools <https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Data-research-and-tools> 3. ARCHIVED <https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Data-research-and-tools/ARCHIVED> 4. Fire statistics <https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Data-research-and-tools/ARCHIVED/Fire-statistics> 5. Vehicles <https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Data-research-and-tools/ARCHIVED/Fire-statistics/Vehicle-fires> 6. Highway vehicle fires by year Highway vehicle fires *Direct Property Damage(in Billions)* *Year* *Fires* *CivilianDeaths* *CivilianInjuries* *As Reported* *In 2015 Dollars* 1980 456,000 650 2,850 $0.5 $1.3 1981 453,000 770 2,900 $0.5 $1.3 1982 433,000 575 3,250 $0.5 $1.3 1983 435,500 670 3,400 $0.6 $1.4 1984 437,000 530 3,250 $0.6 $1.4 1985 437,000 770 3,250 $0.7 $1.5 1986 438,000 665 2,850 $0.7 $1.5 1987 451,000 755 2,900 $0.7 $1.5 1988 459,000 800 2,750 $0.8 $1.6 1989 415,500 560 2,750 $0.8 $1.5 1990 415,000 645 3,025 $0.8 $1.5 1991 406,500 530 2,675 $0.8 $1.4 1992 385,500 665 2,750 $0.8 $1.4 1993 402,000 540 2,400 $0.9 $1.4 1994 402,000 555 2,325 $1.0 $1.5 1995 386,000 490 2,275 $1.0 $1.6 1996 395,000 550 2,075 $1.1 $1.7 1997 377,000 450 1,950 $1.1 $1.6 1998 358,500 545 2,050 $1.1 $1.6 1999 345,000 450 1,600 $1.1 $1.6 2000 325,000 450 1,325 $1.2 $1.6 2001 327,000 470 1,750 $1.3 $1.7 2002 307,000 540 1,700 $1.2 $1.6 2003 286,000 455 1,400 $1.1 $1.4 2004 266,500 520 1,300 $1.0 $1.2 2005 259,000 500 1,450 $1.0 $1.3 2006 250,000 445 1,075 $1.0 $1.2 2007 227,500 365 1,500 $1.1 $1.2 2008 207,000 350 850 $1.2 $1.3 2009 190,500 260 1,455 $1.0 $1.2 2010 184,500 285 1,440 $1.0 $1.1 2011 187,500 270 1,020 $1.0 $1.1 2012 172,500 300 800 $1.3 $1.1 2013 164,000 300 925 $1.1 $1.1 2014 167,500 310 1,275 $1.1 $1.1 2015 174,000 445 1,550 $1.2 $1.2 Highway vehicles include any vehicle designed to operate normally on highways, such as automobiles, motorcycles, buses, trucks, and trailers, but not manufactured homes on foundations. Direct property damage figures do not include indirect losses, like business interruption. Inflation adjustment to 2015 dollars is done using the consumer price index. Source: *Fire Loss in the United States* <http://www.nfpa.org/research/statistical-reports/overall-fire-statistics/fire-loss-in-the-united-states> * 2015*, Hylton J. G. Haynes, NFPA, September 2016 and previous reports in the series. *Updated 9/16* On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 4:25 AM brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > [dated] > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Uncontrolled-downhill-Tesla-crashed-ignited-elderly-couple-s-garage-home-red-tagged4-8mo-tp4687809.html > Uncontrolled downhill Tesla crashed& ignited elderly couple's garage> home > red tagged4 8mo > Tesla Crashes Into Lake Forest Home, Igniting Fire > Aug 26, 2017 ... A Tesla slammed into a Lake Forest home sparking a > destructive house fire ... > Aug 27, 2017 > ... > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=tesla+fire+Lake+Forest&days=0 > evdl archive search > > > [ref > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Tesla-on-fire-on-youtube-tp4692706.html > (Rush's post) > ] > > [video dated > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eFM9JJMH_0 > Tesla Model X Fire (Lake Forest, California) > Real World Police Dec 4, 2018 > [The title of this video initially identified the vehicle a a Tesla Model > S. > I have since been informed that it is a Model X.] > > In this video we take a brief foray into the toasty side of things. > > At 6:15 pm on August 25th, 2017 a man in his mid-30s driving a Tesla Model > X > lost control of his car and crashed into the garage of a single-family, > single story home, taking out a load-bearing beam and starting a raging > fire. > > Approximately 45 minutes to an hour after the initial knockdown and removal > of the vehicle firefighters noticed the vehicle beginning to off-gas in a > distinct, heavy, manner. A fog-like smoke was emitting from the car. At > first firefighters believed that it had the look of a chemical fire, but > when the Tesla began to emit an orange, jet-like flame something new was > clearly at play. > > The Tesla had been traveling at a high rate of speed when it left the road, > entering a culvert and violently launching itself into the garage. The > impact caused tremendous damage and firefighters reported seeing small > lithium ion batteries scattered about. They were dealing with the thermal > runaway of the Tesla’s main battery. > > A firefighter’s primary tool is water, but water wasn't cutting it for this > fire. And so, one of the firefighters got out their smartphone and looked > up > Tesla’s guide for emergency responders, which informed them of their two > fairly obvious options: put it out with water, or let it burn. The kicker, > though was that it could take a LOT of water. > > Because this fire was in a residential neighborhood it was decided to try > extinguishment, and an attack was prepared. Using two hand lines, > firefighters hit the Tesla with very high flow rates for nearly an hour and > a half, at which point the fire went out. > > With the fire out but risk of re-ignition still present, crews decided to > engage their heavy rescue team to lift the vehicle off the ground and block > it up so they could have better access to its underside. It was clear that > the fire mostly involved the undercarriage of the vehicle and the the > battery assembly that makes up the floor in most electric vehicles. > > At this point the car sat, comfortably not on fire, for over an hour. But > that wasn’t the end, because a few hours later a tow truck arrived to > remove > the Tesla and it seemed as though just the tilting of the flatbed and > putting the car up on the flat bed cause the Tesla to reignite. > Fortunately, > firefighters were able to get that knocked down fairly quickly. The > advantage they had this time was that the vehicle was lifted. They asked > the > tow truck driver to simply slide it back on the flatbed and tilt it nose > down so they would have access to the bottom of the vehicle. From there, > they used a couple of pre-connects again with large amounts of water, this > time hitting it early and not allowing the Tesla battery to reach a state > where it was running away thermally. Firefighters estimate that from this > point the fire was extinguished within another 10 to 15 minutes. > ] > ... > https://www.google.com/search?q=Tesla+X+Fire+Lake+Forest > search on Tesla X Fire Lake Forest > > > > > For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: > http://evdl.org/archive/ > > > {brucedp.neocities.org} > > -- > Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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