Hi Dave etc,
Well said but it make perfect sense to promote fool cells if you're a large oily company with a liquid gas station refooling (gas pump) business model - not really concerned about efficiency. Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 07:23:10 -0500 From: "EVDL Administrator" <[email protected]> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] California?s Clean Vehicle Rebate Program Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm hesitant to say anything in this thread because many years ago the EVDL voted to downplay hydrogen, despite the fact that it's mentioned in our original charter. Also, a lot of what I say won't register for the True Believers. They'll dismiss it out of hand. Nobody can shake their convictions. There's not much I can do about that. But I think something needs to be said. BEVs have made huge strides in the last 20 years, while progress for FCEVs has been slower. Even when FCEVs run on hydrogen-stored electrictiy from renewable sources, BEVs use the same electricity more efficiently. That's easily documented. More steps from electricity source to motor, more losses. Simple physics. And then there's infrastructure. BEVs have a commanding and probably unassailable lead. Tesla has 1,636 supercharger stations in North America, and that doesn't even count the non-Tesla EVSEs. By comparison, fueling infrastructure for FCEVs is pitiful: just 38 stations, all in California. Good luck driving your FCEV coast to coast. Yep, FCEVs can be fueled faster, but not by much any more. DC charging is now reaching 350kW. That can fill a big-battery Tesla S to 80% in less than 14 minutes. Sure, we could make FCEVs more practical by throwing hundreds of billions of dollars at renewable energy H2 production and refueling infrastructure. The question is, why should we do that when BEVs are viable and affordable NOW, are already contributing to cleaner air and lower carbon emissions, and are simpler and more efficient than FCEVs? Seriously, what do FCEVs really offer that's better than what BEVs are already giving us? What exactly justifies taking resources away from BEVs and giving them to FCEVs? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . Have a renewable energy day, Mark Mark E. Hanson 184 Vista Lane Fincastle, VA 24090 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell REEVA: community service RE & EV project club Website: www.REEVAdiy.org (See Project Gallery) UL Certified PV Installer My RE&EV Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh REEVA Demo: <http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0> http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20191203/2f26dab0/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
