Or how poor the Porsche is in this department. Then again, who buys a Porsche for efficiency?
- Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 16, 2020, at 4:06 AM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > If this is correct then it’s a good example of how Tesla is so far ahead. > 93kwh / 200 miles = 465 Wh/m. My model S guts 350 Wh/m and the model 3 gets > 250 Wh/m. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 15, 2020, at 11:37 PM, evln via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> % Below is the text from motorweek's review of the >> Taycan Turbo S EV and one ota TV listing for the SF-CA PBS >> station. Other PBS stations might also be broadcasting the >> show, explore >> https://www.google.com/search?q=motorweek+Episode+3924 >> >> >> IMO, the review shows motorweek is including more EVs, but >> they are still not-EV-drivers ... >> Porsche is not the only automaker going 800V packs (see >> links below). Actually they 800V systems were touted at >> EVS.org/edta/electricdrive.org shows way back in the 2000's. >> But now that 300+mi range is where the range bar has been >> set, higher pack voltages allow for faster charging of high >> kWh packs. >> >> -MW wasted time talking about Mission E, and mpge values, >> when they should have otten dow to the nitty gritty of range >> between models. The cheaper 4s has the most range. >> >> -MW supported Porsche's use of Turbo naming as their norm, >> even though the EV has no turbo-mech, see >> https://www.google.com/search?q=taycan+turbo+musk >> >> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-130k-Porsche-s-turbo-less-Taycan-Turbo-performance-EV-tp4692356.html >> >> -MW showed way too many shots of the EV's active rear spoiler >> when really it is useless as it only raises up 2 inches. The EV's >> price could have been lower just by making the rear design in >> the up position with out the silly motorized control. And an >> added amplified interor e-motor sound is also dumb. >> >> -MW didn't grasp the regen/freewheeling EVs use as they >> disparagingly said: 'off the throttle it still wants to surge >> on' = MW is still EV clueless. See below ... % >> >> >> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/2020-porsche-taycan-turbo-s/ >> Road Tests Episode 3924 >> >> [images >> https://www.motorweek.org/images/made/images/road_tests/2020_porsche_taycan_turbo_S_1_638_359_80.jpg >> >> https://www.motorweek.org/images/road_tests/2020_porsche_taycan_turbo_S_3.jpg >> >> https://www.motorweek.org/images/road_tests/2020_porsche_taycan_turbo_S_4.jpg >> >> https://www.motorweek.org/images/road_tests/2020_porsche_taycan_turbo_S_2.jpg >> ] >> >> Being the proud performance-oriented brand that they are, Porsche could only >> sit back and watch tesla parade around at ludicrous speed for so long. Time >> for them to enter the full-EV business in a big way, a way that only Porsche >> can. So let’s head out onto the track with the Taycan Turbo S. >> >> There are many thoughts that go through your head when you enter a race >> track property behind the wheel of a high performance car. Usually, “where >> am I going to plug this thing in?” is not one of them. But, here we are at >> Roebling Road Raceway near Savannah, Georgia with the all-electric 2020 >> Porsche Taycan Turbo S. >> >> Battery recharging aside, track time in the Taycan, quickly reveals a very >> familiar feel. >> >> But before we get too far, we need to better inform you of what exactly it >> is we’re driving here. >> >> The Porsche EV journey of course, started with the Mission E Concept of >> 2015. And over these last 5-years, Porsche has assembled the crème de la >> crème of electrified automotive performance sedans. >> >> Powertrain setup is not that unique from other EVs; two-motor arrangement, >> one up front, one in rear, providing all-wheel-drive with up to >> 670-horsepower in the Taycan Turbo. This Turbo S cranks things up to >> 750-horsepower, with 774 lb-ft. of available torque. >> >> That’s right, Turbo has become more of a model name in the Porsche world, >> not so much a descriptor of what’s under the hood; so using the name here is >> not that much of a stretch. >> >> There is some uniqueness with the Taycan; as it is the first EV to operate >> on an 800-volt system, which allows you to get to 80% charge in as little as >> 22 ½ minutes. And, there’s a 2-speed transmission on the rear axle; >> providing ultimate acceleration when launching, and higher efficiency when >> cruising. >> >> 93-kWh of battery capacity, delivers 192-miles of range; the standard Taycan >> Turbo just over 200. >> >> Slightly less if you’re doing ¼-mile runs like this. The Turbo S launches >> with a sheer brutality that makes the Nissan GT-R seem tame. Power delivery >> is just relentless. It feels like you’ve just left the line, when you glance >> down and your already approaching triple digits, after clearing 60 in >> 2.8-seconds. >> >> No gears to change, no tach to monitor, just hold on for dear life as you >> finish the ¼ in 10.9-seconds at 129 miles-per-hour. There is some sound >> enhancement in the cabin, but it’s not fake vroom, vroom engine noises >> you’re hearing; rather the actual sound of the electric motors amplified. We >> were divided on its merits; some thought it sounded cool, others said they >> would prefer silence. Regardless, metal pushing through wind is all >> bystanders can hear. >> >> Now, back to that familiar Porsche feel. Yes, amazingly, despite the length >> and weight of the Taycan, somehow the experience behind the wheel is not >> that different from a 911. >> >> Sure, you do feel the heft in turns, and sometimes when you let off the >> throttle it still wants to surge on; but the enormous and standard Ceramic >> Composite brakes behind the 21-inch wheels are phenomenal, and keep you from >> getting into any trouble. >> >> It will push a little in corners, as all of the grip keeps the rear planted >> at all times; but the sheer amount of torque you can apply coming out of >> turns is borderline mind-boggling. >> >> 4-wheel steering is available in the Turbo, standard here in the S, and it >> really helps on turn-ins. Overall feel through the wheel is not quite as >> sharp as a Panamara, but far from the “video-game” controller feel of most >> other pure EVs. >> >> Much like the driving experience, the exterior design is all pretty typical >> Porsche…but even more beautiful. Aero treatments include an active rear >> spoiler, rocker extensions, and rear diffuser. And, there are actually two >> charge ports, one on each side depending on what you’re plugging into. >> Finally, the standout 21-inch wheels on our test car were sporting Good Year >> Eagles. >> >> The interior is not as futuristic as you might expect; again, more of the >> accustomed Porsche vibe. The biggest evolution being the large curved-glass >> gauge panel. >> >> Government Fuel Economy MPGe Ratings are 67-City, 68-Highway, and >> 68-Combined. For a near perfect Energy Impact Score, using just 3/10ths of a >> barrel of oil per year, with no CO2 emissions. >> >> Taycan Turbo pricing starts at $154,860; this Turbo S, at $188,960. Such the >> price for high performance early adoption. Too much for you? Well, Porsche >> has just announced an entry-level Taycan 4S, to start at just $114,340. >> >> Taking just about everything they’ve learned over their 70-years as a brand, >> pushing it into the future with new technology, and cramming it all into one >> vehicle, is what the 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo S is all about. And this is >> just the start of Porsche E-Performance, as they’ve already confirmed a >> Cross Turismo, and hinted at much more to come down the road. The times they >> are indeed a-changin’, and never have they changed, or charged, faster than >> with the Taycan. >> [© motorweek.org] >> >> >> https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/taycan/taycan-models/taycan-4s/ >> $104k taycan-4s r:201mi ts:155mph 0-60mph:3.8s >> https://www.google.com/search?q=taycan+4s+range >> ... >> (dated) >> https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/14/18140868/fastcharge-porsche-bmw-450kw-electric-vehicle-charging-station >> Porsche and BMW unveil EV charger that's 3 times faster than ... >> Dec 14, 2018 - A research group with members including Porsche and BMW has >> ... cars with both 400- and 800-volt battery systems, and it will >> automatically ... >> https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/c7duJxg0VTGbPigeEL1ZUlIHysQ=/0x0:4032x2272/920x613/filters:focal(1694x814:2338x1458):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/62681587/4737065_fastcharge_prototype_for_a_charging_station_jettingen_scheppach_2018_porsche_ag.0.jpg >> ... >> https://www.electrive.com/2019/09/10/mercedes-presents-the-electric-luxury-sedan-vision-eqs/ >> Mercedes presents the electric luxury sedan Vision EQS ... >> Sep 10, 2019 - With the Vision EQS Mercedes presented a concept of an >> electric ... kW – Mercedes seems to be switching to 800 volt technology with >> the next ... >> https://www.electrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/mercedes-benz-vision-eqs-concept-2019-03-min-888x444.png >> >> >> https://www.motorweek.org/about/upcoming_and_past_shows/episode-episode-3924 >> Episode 3924 Debut 2.14.2020 >> Description >> Track Test: 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo S >> ... (the rest about ice) >> >> >> -Watch- >> https://www.kqed.org/tv/programs/index.jsp?pgmid=2346 >> Episode #3924H Duration: 26:46 SRND51 TVG >> R/T: '20 PORSCHE TAYCAN TURBO S R/T ... >> Upcoming Broadcasts: >> KQED Plus: Tue, Feb 18, 2020 -- 11:00am >> (*SF-CA ota PBS v-ch09.2 rf-ch30) >> https://www.kqed.org/tv/schedules/weekly/kqedplus.jsp?ymd=2020-02-16 >> >> >> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests >> 2021 Polestar 1 EV Episode 3919 >> ... >> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/P10 >> 2019 Audi e-tron Episode 3914 >> ... >> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/P40 >> EV Roundup Episode 3842 >> ... >> https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/P50https://www.motorweek.org/reviews/road_tests/P50 >> 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus Episode 3837 >> 2019 Kia Niro EV Episode 3835 ... >> >> >> + (dated) >> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30531280/porsche-taycan-turbo-s-range-epa/ >> Porsche Taycan EV's EPA Range Goes from Bad to Worse >> Jan 15, 2020 The more powerful Turbo S model is rated to provide even less >> range than the Turbo ... The EPA's range estimate for the Porsche Taycan >> Turbo S electric car is a low 192 miles ... >> https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2020-porsche-taycan-144-1569266421.jpg >> >> >> >> >> For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: >> http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html >> >> >> {brucedp.neocities.org} >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >> INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
