As shown by the research at Dalhousie, 16000 cycles is meaningless if the conditions are watered down. That kind of cycle count is falsely impressive, and a huge waste of time and resources.
Are there any useful testing standards becoming a tradition? As in standards that actually stress the cells in some way other than cycle count? Part of Tesla's success with cell life comes from actually breaking cells and trying to make them better. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 6:19 PM Bill Dube via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > The A123 systems 26650 cylindrical cells have a _huge_ cycle life. > > Way over 5000 cycles at a 1C rate. 100% SOC discharge. (They have cycled > a 26650 cell more than 16,000 times and still have greater than 50% > capacity.) > > The main trouble with higher rates is the elevated cell temperature > while testing. Higher rates => higher temperature => shorter life span. > The issue becomes entangled with calendar life. Calendar life is a steep > function of temperature. Exponential, actually. > > Bill D. > > On 4/17/2020 9:09 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > Then you run up against an insignificant sample size. Can you get specs > and > > trust them? When I was trying to sort this out in the 2014 time frame, > > testing was ALL crap. You couldn't believe much of anything. Partly > > because no one really know how to test well, and many did not want to > know. > > The tradition was to run a lot of cycles at levels that caused no damage > at > > all. > > > > I sort of forget the original query, isn't this about A123? Prismatics? > > Those are pouch cells. I have developed a cognitive bias against that > form. > > > > > > > > > > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > Virus-free. > > www.avg.com > > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 4:59 PM paul dove <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Good point but you don't know how much faster it will degrade at 50 > amps. > >> > >> 75% in 800, 500, 200 cycles, etc. > >> > >> I would buy one and test it first. > >> > >> On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 1:54:04 PM CDT, Michael Ross via EV < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> It is important to figure out what the #cycles means to you personally. > >> 1000 cycles is a lot even daily - for some people. > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:39 PM paul dove via EV <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Cycle Life (retaining 70% capacity) at 20A Discharge, 100% DOD: >1,000 > >>> cycles > >>> > >>> This tells me you don’t want to discharge at 50A if at 20A you are down > >>> 30% capacity in 1000 cycles. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200416/3a01b165/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
