In California, it’s no longer looking like a duck curve. - Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 7, 2020, at 6:17 PM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > It’s referred to as the Duck curve! > > https://www.energy.gov/eere/articles/confronting-duck-curve-how-address-over-generation-solar-energy > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 7, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I think the big problem is how to fill in the energy voids. That is, during >> night or other times when usage exceeds generation. >> >> Tying to the grid is the easy solution but I can see why the energy >> companies are resisting that: they sell less electricity - and get less >> revenue - but still need to maintain the same staff and infrastructure to be >> ready for you at any moment. Here, in the pacific NW, it's not as big a deal >> since most of the power comes from hydro. But it certainly is a resistance >> factor if your peak power comes from fossil fuels. >> >> The complete solution will require massive amounts of energy storage. As >> everyone knows, this is expensive to build and not particularly efficient. I >> hope we can come up with inexpensive, safe storage that can be distributed >> to every point of use. >> >> Peri >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Willie via EV" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: "Willie" <[email protected]> >> Sent: 07-May-20 7:23:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 >> >>> >>> >>>>> On 5/7/20 8:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>>>> It's really supportive to hear Tim's and Larry's testimony. So often I >>>>> hear or read that solar is too problematic because we need massive solar >>>>> farms, which will be expensive and have significant ecological impact. >>>>> (My speculation: this comes from energy company propaganda, indicating >>>>> they don't want to take losses on their current infrastructure or loose a >>>>> source of revenue.) >>> >>> With abundant ground space and no HOA, I've been astonished how cheaply PV >>> can be installed. My current cost estimate is ~$.30/watt including all >>> material but not labor. Selling at local wholesale rates and with no >>> incentives, my payback period is about 5 years. 3-4 years if I am avoiding >>> retail rates. If someone wants to argue that PV is expensive, I am >>> certainly willing to set them straight. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >>> INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >> INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200507/fca9bbce/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
