[email protected] gave permission. So I hope David didn't get to official and deleted it. Did any one have trouble contacting Susan? Lawrence Rhodes.
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:42:48 -0500 (CDT) From: evln <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] e-Buses vs he-Buses for PSTA Pinellas_County-FL bus routes Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Hybrid-buses-instead-of-electric-for-PSTA-in-Pinellas-County-Evidence-for-commissioners-tp4697767.html ... Evidence for commissioners' decisions ... ] As was posted, several points have not been provided. As Susan's email address was blocked by the evdl, a search https://www.google.com/search?q=Susan+Glickman+cleanenergy.org gives: susan @cleanenergy.org But, I ask Lawrence forward this post's url to her as he knows her actual email address. -Looking at a Pinellas_County-FL map https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pinellas+County,+FL/ shows the county is east of Tampa-FL -A psta bus route map https://www.psta.net/media/4148/psta-map-spring-2019.pdf shows buses go all over the county -A Pinellas County topographic map https://en-au.topographic-map.com/maps/sx2f/Pinellas-County/ shows the region is fairly flat with a highest natural point of 110 feet (34 m from sea-level). Thus, an e-bus should have no issues climbing any of their mild hills on any route. -psta had created a 2015 report on e-bus vs he-bus replacements https://psta.net/media/1136/replacement-bus-purchase-analysis-part-2.pdf -A cost search https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+buses+cost+vs+hybrid has several hits/links to explore. Many state overall, a he-bus will cost more in the long run than an e-bus. I have responded to many of these inquiries in my 30 years of free-efforts to promote Electric transportation. Today, many people are much more open to the idea of change to e-buses for clean air, and lower mantenance costs. But if Susan has hard-headed pro-ice(engine)-bus people on the commission, another point to look at is the type of chemical fuel buses can use (diesel, bio-diesel, cng, natural-gas, e-85, etc.) That county does not have access to h2, bio-diesel, But does have e85 access https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=E85&location=largo,%20fl e85 is cleaner than gasoline, but like cng has less energy density (you use more of it per mile to go the same dstance). A cost comparision between staying with diesel vs switching to cng https://www.google.com/search?q=cng+vs+diesel Diesel ice can be converted to run on cng. But it is best to do this on a bus with a newer ice. cng is so clean, after running on cng, the old ice is cleaned internally so the ice begins to burn oil (the gunk between the cylinder and piston is cleaned out and ice oil sweeps in). FL has cng(compressed natural gas) laws already https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/laws/NG?state=FL The county has only 1 cng refueling site https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=CNG&location=largo,%20fl The cost of another cng station would have to be incurred to meet the needs of the cng he-bus routes. https://www.google.com/search?q=cng+hybrid+bus shows other regions/counties have tried using cng he-buses. After reading through these, my conclusion is: in the long run, it is better to not stay with diesel ice buses, nor incur the ice-maintenance costs of he-buses, but just begin a-new/a-fresh by buying today's better e-buses, and installing a quick recharging station(s) at key bus-route stop location(s). For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:58:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Lawrence Rhodes <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] Cheapest car on Alibaba. $900 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 https://youtu.be/P0_brepbNm4 Three videos. Two more should be associated with this link. Lawrence Rhodes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200618/d68892d1/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
