Jim, agreed that one of the two *power* wires can carry Neutral.
I was responding to OP who stated that the third wire could carry ground
AND neutral power and I know for a fact that is wrong, because I have
designed the JuiceBox-2 GFCI detect for ground leakage, in order to meet
the J1772 standard.
Cor.

On Sat, Feb 14, 2026, 10:01 PM Jim Walls via EV <[email protected]> wrote:

> Cor, you don't miss very often, but J1772 can also carry 120 volts with
> one of the "hot" wires as the 120V hot and the other "hot" wire as the
> neutral.  You are correct however that the Ground wire is ground only.
> OK, I have only charged my Lightning on 120 volts a couple times, but it
> does work just fine.
>
> Jim Walls
>
>
> On Sat 02/14/2026 06:19, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> > No, J1772 does not have a "neutral" power connection. It is purely Earth,
> > the only power you can draw without immediately triggering GFCI is 208 or
> > 240V phase+phase.
> > Cor.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2026, 8:09 AM DOOLEY PHILIP G JR via EV <
> [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>   My point about the J1772 connector was completely misunderstood.
> What I
> >> tried to say is that the same type of pin in the J1772 was used for
> power
> >> and earth, unlike what is normal in NEMA 4 pin connectors where the
> earth
> >> pin is very different.  This is to support that it should be fine to use
> >> the center pin of a 3 pin NEMA 10-50 for earth when it is not needed for
> >> neutral which is true for most 240V loads like charging an EV or
> running a
> >> welder.  The US J1772 does not have a neutral because it is not needed.
> >> Always using a 4 pin NEMA connector for 3 wires helps to "idiot proof"
> the
> >> connections but costs more and is less durable.
> >> Everyone should remember that your house with its 120/240V loads is
> >> connected to the grid by 3 wires to save money and improve lightning
> >> protection.  Phone/data lines and cable TV have to put up with
> significant
> >> common mode voltages as a result.  In remote farms this voltage can kill
> >> the animals.  Last I looked the code still allowed a 3 wire 120/240V
> >> connection to a shed if you put in a ground rod.  This causes problems
> with
> >> Ethernet and cable TV putting excess current on the shield. My ground
> rods
> >> measure 500 to 1000 ohms because of ledge so I plan to always use 4 wire
> >> connections to my sheds.
> >> Phil
> >>      On Friday, February 13, 2026 at 06:19:26 PM EST, Cor van de Water
> via
> >> EV <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>   The J1772 is sometimes used by RV'ers to llug in, but requires a
> >> transformer (can be auto-transformer, meaning only 1 winding with center
> >> tap) to create a "Neutral" as long as it only connects to the 2 hots and
> >> keeps the new neutral separate from the ground wire.
> >>
> >> The proximity pin is not used in the cable in America, because the
> cable is
> >> permanently attached to the EVSE.
> >> So, in the US the only use of Proximity is to confirm secure plug in,
> >> before the vehicle is allowed to draw charge. As soon as you push the
> latch
> >> on the handle, the resistance in the handle changes and the car stops
> >> charging.
> >> In Europe the proximity carries a resistor in the cable you plug into
> the
> >> EVSE that tells what current the cable can support and the EVSE adjusts
> its
> >> advertised current via the Pilot signal to the minimum of cable and its
> own
> >> limitation.
> >> The car still reads the Proximity on the car side for the same function
> as
> >> in the USA.
> >> use of the car side Proximity signal by the EVSE is optional.
> >> Cor.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2026, 8:32 PM (-Phil-) via EV <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm not aware of any EV or EVSE using the J1772 type 1 ground for
> >> neutral.
> >>> This violates the standard, and would (should) instantly trip the
> ground
> >>> fault detection in the EVSE and any upstream GFCIs.
> >>>
> >>> On the type 1 (US) connector there are only 5 pins; one ground
> connected
> >>> only to the vehicle chassis and serving as reference for the 2 small
> >>> proximity pilot (PP) and control pilot (CP) pins, and the 2 AC current
> >>> carrying pins.  One of these will be neutral if using level 1 (120v).
> >> The
> >>> PP tells the EV a cable is connected and also the status of the
> >> mechanical
> >>> latch, and the CP tells the EV the supplied amperage and allows the EV
> to
> >>> enable AC power.
> >>>
> >>> On the EU spec type 2, they add an actual neutral and 1 more AC pin to
> >>> enable 3-phase with neutral.
> >>>
> >>> The combo spec adds 2 large DC only pins at the bottom for DCFC.
> >>>
> >>> Grounds by intended design are never supposed to carry current, they
> are
> >>> only used for fault handling, and to provide a return for leakage and
> >>> high-frequency RF.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2026 at 10:23 AM EV List Lackey via EV <
> >> [email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 13 Feb 2026 at 7:15, DOOLEY PHILIP G JR via EV wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> using a neutral pin for earth might be a misuse, but the J1772
> >>> connector
> >>>>> does this.
> >>>> My first thought reading this was a bit of ignorant skepticism - why
> >>> would
> >>>> J1772 need a neutral pin?
> >>>>
> >>>> I've never used a J1772 personally, so I looked at the description
> >> here.
> >>>> http://evdl.org/docs/j1772description.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> On the first diagram on page 2, titled J1772 Interface, I noticed 2
> >> extra
> >>>> pins, not shown as in use in the diagram on the first page.
> >>>>
> >>>> Page 3 has a full pinout for the connector.  It does indeed illustrate
> >> 3
> >>>> large (presumably high current) pins.  It describes them as mains,
> >> mains,
> >>>> and ground/neutral.
> >>>>
> >>>> Combining ground and neutral that way is reminiscent of the bad old
> >> days
> >>>> of
> >>>> US 3-pin 30 amp clothes dryer and 50 amp electric range connectors.
> >> It's
> >>>> very surprising that the J1772 designers thought that way.
> >>>>
> >>>> One more puzzle -
> >>>>
> >>>> In addition to the smaller pilot pin, there's a second smaller pin
> >>>> described
> >>>> as no connection.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now I wonder what that "no connection" pin might have been reserved
> for
> >>> in
> >>>> the original J1772 specification.  Does anyone know the history?
> >>>>
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