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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Siamese .. production? (damon henry)
   2. Re: Looking for a Conversion Kit for a 1929 Ford. (Alan Brinkman)
   3. Re: New Motor Care ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   4. Tampa schools debut new plug-in hybrid buses (David S)
   5. Re: Siamese .. production? (MIKE WILLMON)
   6. Re: Archives, Bounce Score, and Missing digests (Tim Humphrey)
   7. Re: Archives, Bounce Score, and Missing digests (Ralph Merwin)
   8. Re: Siamese .. production? (Timothy Balcer)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:33:35 +0000
From: "damon henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Siamese .. production?
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'm no motor guru, but it has to be one of two things.  It does not make 
economic sense or no one has thought of it.

The second seems unlikely since motors have been around a real long time and 
everything seems to have been thought of and tried multiple times so I'm 
going to have to go with the first.  Either their manufacturing techniques 
would make it cost prohibitive, or there is no real market for such a motor.

damon


>From: "Timothy Balcer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
>Subject: [EVDL] Siamese .. production?
>Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:17:37 -0400
>
>I wondered if the motor gurus had a second....
>
>I was just thinking.. why isn't there a stock motor built that did the
>same thing as the various Siamese motors out there? That is to say,
>twice the power by being -longer- and retaining the zippy RPM
>performance?
>
>--T
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:37:21 -0700
From: "Alan Brinkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Looking for a Conversion Kit for a 1929 Ford.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Edward,

What a clean looking '29 Ford coupe.  You have a nice project on tap
here.  Your proposed large DC motor and direct drive will likely work
out well with a strong controller (Zilla 1K).  Look to see that the rear
axle is a low enough ratio to get moving well, and not too low to ever
overspeed the motor.

My 2 cents would be to stick with lead acid batteries now, and keep your
eye on Lithium Ion batteries for the future.  You could shoot for a
range of 35 miles, and stop and charge to get your 70 mile max. trip out
of the way.  That may keep your battery weight down to make the direct
drive work well.

Alan Brinkman

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of isaaks
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:50 AM
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Subject: [EVDL] Looking for a Conversion Kit for a 1929 Ford.

Hi List

 

I have a 1929 Ford coupe that is looking for an engine.  You can see it
at  

www.isaaks.com/29Ford/1929Ford.htm

 

The problem is I am not knowledgeable about DC motors, controllers, and
batteries, etc.  From the little I have read, it appears there are many
options to consider depending on ones needs, and even then it's not
clear
which is the best way to go. As for needs, this is what I think I'd
like:

 

1.      Travel will be local, no more than 70 miles per trip. Probably
closer to 10 to 20 miles or less most of the time.
2.      I would like the car to be quite peppy and quick off the line
(traffic light). I don't plan on racing it.
3.      I really do not need top speed, as driving will be pretty well
contained to town speed limits, generally less than 50 MPH.

 

So is it reasonable to consider the following?

 

1.      A warp9 DC motor  --- direct connect to drive shaft (no clutch
or
transmission).
2.      A zilla 1K controller
3.      lithium Ion batteries from A123 systems for example?

 

What might be some alternatives??

 

All comments and suggestions are welcome.

Thank you

Edward Isaaks
  

 

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:47:24 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Motor Care
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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I have to agree Mike.

It is the affection given to a motor that will give it the strength to 
take on the hard times that life unexpectedly throws at you, like 
flooded streets, slow ICE's or even fast ones.

It also gives a motor the inspiration and courage to say things like, 
"Feed me!..... Amps!  I want Amps... Give me more Amps!!!"

It's a good thing.

Ken



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From: MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Motor Care


Hey Jim,
You forgot to tell him about all the love and affection you have to 
give a motor
daily. You know, the pep talks, life's lessons, and the firm fatherly 
advice.
None of that threatening stuff like "if you don't behave I'm gonna 
drive you
through a flooded street"....or " better behave or I'm gonna zorch you 
with 2000
A".....none of that stuff though.

;-)


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:55:24 -0500
From: "David S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Tampa schools debut new plug-in hybrid buses
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/07/22/tampa-schools-debut-new-plug-in-hybr
id-buses/

 



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:05:28 -0800
From: MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Siamese .. production?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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How about it Jim?  Lets see there's the ADC 9, there's the WarP9, and the 
TransWarp9, how about a Hi-Torque 9?  Design that dude 9" dia with a 30" 
housing.  One big set of coils, multiple kevlar bands and one big 'ol huge 
commutator with 4-brush holders.......or just build the same basic Siamese 8 
setup into a single solid housing.  That would still give the ability of 
Series/Parallel shifting.....of course you would then lose the forklift market 
as potential buyers of this motor.  But hey, get too many people into the NEDRA 
racing and you won't have time for them anyway ;-P

----- Original Message -----
From: damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:35 am
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Siamese .. production?
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu

> I'm no motor guru, but it has to be one of two things.  It does not 
> make 
> economic sense or no one has thought of it.
> 
> The second seems unlikely since motors have been around a real long 
> time and 
> everything seems to have been thought of and tried multiple times 
> so I'm 
> going to have to go with the first.  Either their manufacturing 
> techniques 
> would make it cost prohibitive, or there is no real market for such 
> a motor.
> 
> damon
> 
> 
> >From: "Timothy Balcer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> >To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> >Subject: [EVDL] Siamese .. production?
> >Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:17:37 -0400
> >
> >I wondered if the motor gurus had a second....
> >
> >I was just thinking.. why isn't there a stock motor built that did 
> the>same thing as the various Siamese motors out there? That is to 
> say,>twice the power by being -longer- and retaining the zippy RPM
> >performance?
> >
> >--T
> >
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:15:06 -0600
From: Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Archives, Bounce Score, and Missing digests
To: EV <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"


AHA I get it now....

I was trying to bring to the lurkers attention that they might not be able to 
post in the future. But by your explanation that was just a freak timing issue 
that I experienced and "they" wouldn't be receiving posts today if they hadn't 
already fixed their account.

So my post was moot.


Thanks David for all of your support to the EVDL!!


--
Stay Charged!
Hump
I-5, Blossvale NY

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David Roden (Akron OH USA)
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:07 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Archives, Bounce Score, and Missing digests
> 
> On 7 Aug 2007 at 7:27, Tim Humphrey wrote:
> 
>> When we made the switch to Mailman, this email address was in postpone
> mode.
>> Mailman converted it back to mail mode. So I was receiveing all of the
>> indivual messsages. ... I tried to reply to a couple of messages  ...
>> They didn't go through and I didn't get an error message ...
>>
>> Messages came flying back to me all at once... first I got the bounce
>> messages stating that I couldn't post because this email address
> wasn't
>> subscribed. (Huh? why was I receiving posts if I wasn't subscribed)
>>
>> Then I got a message assigning me my password. (which didn't work)
>>
>> Then messages stopped coming in....
> 
> I think I posted about this before, but I'll try to explain again.
> 
> When SJSU ported the old list over to Mailman, they were left with a
> batch of users who had
> been subscribed through Listproc, but had NOMAIL or POSTPONE set.  They
> sent a copy of
> this list to me and Clyde Visser, the list owner, asking what they
> should do.
> 
> I'm not quite sure how it happened, but somewhere along the line someone
> suggested
> transferring those nomail subscribers into Mailman without the NOMAIL
> flag and letting them
> unsubscribe or again set nomail.  I suggested that we contact each user
> and invite him to
> resubscribe.  Clyde concurred, but somehow the word didn't get to SJSU,
> or it got twisted
> round somehow, and they took the first course instead, resubscribing the
> mass of NOMAIL
> users all at once.
> 
> Up to that time, the new server had been settling in nicely.  However,
> most of the leftover
> NOMAIL subscribers were long gone, and so were their email addresses.
> This caused a
> massive pileup in Mailman as it tried to deal with the blizzard of
> bounce notices coming back
> to it.  That pileup is the reason that you didn't receive any error
> messages or posts for several
> hours.  When SJSU realized what was happening, they backed out all the
> NOMAIL
> subscribers, completely deleting their subscriptions.
> 
> When Mailman finally managed to clear out its queue, you received the
> error messages
> telling you that you weren't subscribed - because, by the time it
> processed those replies, you
> weren't.  That's also why the password didn't work - it was assigned to
> an account that
> suddenly no longer existed.
> 
> The server has stabilized nicely and response time is currently quite
> good.
> 
> However, if you used to have a second subscription that you used only
> for posting (an
> antispam strategy for some people), and had it set for NOMAIL or
> POSTPONE, you will now
> have to resubscribe that address and again set it for nomail.
> 
> David Roden
> EVDL Administrator
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:59:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Archives, Bounce Score, and Missing digests
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

"David Roden (Akron OH USA)" writes:
> 
> When SJSU ported the old list over to Mailman, they were left with a
> batch of users who had been subscribed through Listproc, but had NOMAIL
> or POSTPONE set.  They sent a copy of this list to me and Clyde Visser,
> the list owner, asking what they should do.
...
> Up to that time, the new server had been settling in nicely.  However,
> most of the leftover NOMAIL subscribers were long gone, and so were their
> email addresses.

David,

It's too late now, but should you ever have the pleasure of migrating a
mailing list in the future, the method I've had the best success with is
to start the new list and send mail to the old list describing how to
subscribe to the new list.  Some time later, send mail to the old list
indicating that it will be shut down at some point.  Then simply shut it
down at that point.

This automatically weeds out the invalid/dead/unused e-mail addresses
instead of forcing the issue on the admins or the new list server.

Ralph



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:53:11 -0400
From: "Timothy Balcer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Siamese .. production?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 8/7/07, MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about it Jim?  Lets see there's the ADC 9, there's the WarP9, and the 
> TransWarp9, how about a Hi-Torque 9?  Design that dude 9" dia with a 30" 
> housing.  One big set of coils, multiple kevlar bands and one big 'ol huge 
> commutator with 4-brush holders.......or just build the same basic Siamese 8 
> setup into a single solid housing.  That would still give the ability of 
> Series/Parallel shifting.....of course you would then lose the forklift 
> market as potential buyers of this motor.  But hey, get too many people into 
> the NEDRA racing and you won't have time for them anyway ;-P

Hehe. :-)

Well... hey, these motors could be setup in series/parallel without
siamesing, no? You could setup the field coils to be able to switch,
and parallel opposite pairs, and just have two sets of 4 armatures. I
have no idea how -practical- that would be! I bet you could get more
kick out of a smaller package though.

Come on.. it's neat to think about :)

--T



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