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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Electric evette amps (Tom S.)
   2. Wiki entry missing (Timothy Balcer)
   3. Re: Electric evette  amps (Christopher Robison)
   4. Re: Electric boat on the Erie Canal (storm connors)
   5. Re: Z Wheelz website (David S)
   6. CORRECTION - Miles,   not meyers (Steven Lough)
   7. Re: another berlingo question (Steve O)
   8. Re: Getting a bit OT - TS warnings ... (storm connors)
   9. Re: another berlingo question (Steve O)
  10. Re: another berlingo question (Evan Tuer)
  11. Re: Z Wheelz website (Bruce Weisenberger)
  12. Nichola Tesla (Grant Clinch)
  13. Re: Nichola Tesla (Bob Rice)
  14. Re: BMS for Deka Gel with BRUSA Charger (Tehben Dean)
  15. Re: Nichola Tesla (David Roden)
  16. Now OT - PV energy (David Roden)
  17. Re: GEO G-29  Curtis overheating? (David Roden)
  18. Re: another berlingo question (David Roden)
  19. Re: Nichola Tesla (Lee Hart)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:15:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric evette amps
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hi Storm,

Actually, I always err on the high side. There was a problem with the drive 
line that needs to be fixed, that and low profile tires should it down 5amps or 
more. By the way, do I detect a little humor in your response.

Tom Sines

-----Original Message-----
>From: storm connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Aug 17, 2007 12:16 AM
>To: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
><ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric evette amps
>
>What was the most amount of amps? (I bet the least was zero- unless you have
>regen.)
>
>On 8/16/07, Tom S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> The first test went like this, driving the  Evette   30mph, with only a
>> 120volt battery pack, the least amount of amps so far was 40amps.  Thats
>> with super swamper tires, and not much warm up time.   I did the test with a
>> 50mv  500amp shunt,  and a multimeter.  Let the math begin.
>>
>> Tom Sines
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:42:33 -0400
From: "Timothy Balcer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Wiki entry missing
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hey folks,

I noticed.. there is no reference to SepEx motors on Wikipedia, in the
electric motor section. Someone here who is more knowledgeable than I
might want to take a crack at it. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motor

--T



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:10:24 -0500
From: Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric evette  amps
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 15:23 -0400, Tom S. wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> The first test went like this, driving the  Evette   30mph, with only a 
> 120volt battery pack, the least amount of amps so far was 40amps.  Thats with 
> super swamper tires, and not much warm up time.   I did the test with a 50mv  
> 500amp shunt,  and a multimeter.  Let the math begin.
> 

I'm probably going to regret jumping into this, but ...

How is this data useful?  To get any meaningful idea of energy usage,
you need to know more than the minimum current draw at one particular
moment in time.  Were you in a tailwind? Going down a slope? Simply
letting off a little on the throttle? Drafting behind another car?
Instantaneous readings tell us almost nothing about what the car is
doing, certainly without additional information.

Starter suggestion: pick a stretch of road, the longer the better (a
mile or two at least), and travel it at a given speed, and measure
amp-hours consumed on that pass. (You do have an e-meter or some kind of
amp-hour counter right?) Try again at a different speed. Keep a chart.
Make a modification to the car, and do it again.

If you don't use real methods of measurement (and I don't count myself
as an expert here), you'll never have more than wild guesses. That's
fine for a car you're building for yourself, but not if you're trying to
sell an idea.


-- 
Christopher Robison
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:10:22 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric boat on the Erie Canal
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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An article in the Concord (NH) Monitor about a solar powered pontoon boat.
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070813/REPOSITORY/708130320&SearchID=73290540042016

Interesting this one issue had 3 articles about electric vehicles.



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:26:49 -0500
From: "David S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Z Wheelz website
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Nice looking prototypes you got there.

The one thing I see is that the weight distribution seems a little off and
might have some problems with the rear end sliding out during turns. I am
trying to find a link that I used to have where a guy did a pretty write up
of all of the different weight distribution options of a 3 wheeler. (anybody
else have a link?)

Nice website and cool project.
Let me know when the kits are ready to order.

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Of gary
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:50 PM
To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
Subject: [EVDL] Z Wheelz website

Here is the start of a website to show early plans and progress for some
BEV's.  Feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Gary Krysztopik
www.ZWheelz.com
San Antonio, TX
 

 

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:37:15 -0700
From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] CORRECTION - Miles,   not meyers
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I stand corrected..  ( sorry )

  The Seattle EV Association member,
  MC Electric is a MILES Dealer,  also a ZENN dealer, and 4 or 5 other 
lines...( not Meyers)

For other info on Miles Motors see: 
http://www.milesautomotive.com/showroom.php
-- 
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle,  WA  98115-7230
Day:  206 850-8535
Eve:  206 524-1351
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:21:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Steve O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] another berlingo question
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Phillippe
   
  Thanks for your reply. My eberlingo went from running fine to not running 
with no warning lights at all. 
  First click of the ignition fires up the cooling system etc (whirring noise) 
and the charge goes up to 100% on the dashboard. Trying to do the next click to 
engage the main contactor - nothing. No green "drive" light, no musical chime 
and no clunk of the main contactor. Hence it will not go. I have taken the 
cover off the main ECU and there is no obvious burnt out tracks but I do not 
really know what I am looking for! 
  Citroen say I need a new ECU.
  A friend with some knowledge of these cars tells me some part of the "start 
sequence" must not be working therefore the main contactor will not click. The 
battery pack is in good order, There is no electrical fault light on the dash. 
Any thoughts?
  I would gladly buy a working ECU from a scrap vehicle if you know of one that 
is working. Let me know the price / postage cost etc. 
   
  Merci!!
   
  Steve

"vehiculeselectriques.free.fr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hello,

These ECU are beautiful electronics and very reliable but whole system next
to them is less ...
Most common fault with PSA ECU is charger going into security mode.... or
bang
It happen near each time after leakage of battery/ECU colant system as water
pump ... is now pumping air, no more cooling, 3kW charger is going hot to
hell and cut off or die
You can drive the car but no more charge it and find your car in half
charged state with "electric fault" light ON at morning.

Disconnecting High Voltage (Rear pack behind left wheel fuse is most
easy/quick to catch) reset the ECU stored fault.
But you have to check water level on the coolant tank, right side under the
hood.
If it's low or empty instead of full to the top end as it should be, you
HAVE to find the coolant hoosing leak, most of the time it's on rear box but
check for coolant water sign on the floor after filling the tank to full
again.
dismount battery box and repair the leak with polyur?thane glue on the 2
crap plastic oblong hoose part where the leak is.

Generaly (if fault is well known and electronic cards not too much toasted)
these faulty ECU can be rebuilt, you can contact me by email off list.

Philippe
vehiculeselectriques.free.fr



2007/8/17, Thomas Ward :
>
> steve
>
> I don't think there is a controller suitable for the berlingo 162V Sepex
> motor.
>
> I believe you could use a Zilla on the armature with a constant voltage
> on the field. I asked Otmar about this and he dissuaded me from doing so.
>
>
> you can pick up spare parts for berlingos in france.
>
> I bought a few parts off a guy in bordeaux, he had one accident damaged
> van and one almost perfect but without the largest of the battery
> modules. I think he wanted 1500 euros for the whole thing. I can try to
> find his email address if you want. I initially contacted him via an
> advert on the forums of Phillip Borges vehiculeseletriques.free.fr
> website which is very useful if you can read French. I'm sure you will
> find some spare parts from there.
>
> I haven't heard any reports of the controller being unreliable but have
> heard many reports of citroen being unable to service. For example the
> battery cooling system on my berlingo developed a small leak last Spring
> and registered a low water fault. I took it to the Citroen garage, they
> told me the controller was faulty and that I needed to spend 5 grand on
> a new one. When I got it home I had a look and soon discovered the low
> water and the water leak. I refilled the water, completely disconnected
> the main and the 12V batteries, reconnected and the car was fine. There
> was nothing wrong with the controller, I drove it for another 8000 miles
> with no problems (other than having to top up the cooling water every
> trip and every charge).
>
>
>
> steve ollerton wrote:
> > Hello again
> >
> > If I decided to sack off the berlingo controller gubbins (which seem
> > fairly unreliable anyway) which controller would suit the 170V DC system
> > that this car has. Citroen want 5 grand for a new ECU / controller box.
> > Any cheaper options available?
> >
> > Steve
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:17:28 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Getting a bit OT - TS warnings ...
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I have an east slope shed roof. My solar solution was to mount tacks so the
panels faced south.

On 8/17/07, Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Since you do solar, I have a question. I want more PV so i can totally
> offset my power bill but I have primarily a west and an east facing roof.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:26:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Steve O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] another berlingo question
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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"vehiculeselectriques.free.fr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hello,

These ECU are beautiful electronics and very reliable but whole system next
to them is less ...
Most common fault with PSA ECU is charger going into security mode.... or
bang
It happen near each time after leakage of battery/ECU colant system as water
pump ... is now pumping air, no more cooling, 3kW charger is going hot to
hell and cut off or die
You can drive the car but no more charge it and find your car in half
charged state with "electric fault" light ON at morning.

Disconnecting High Voltage (Rear pack behind left wheel fuse is most
easy/quick to catch) reset the ECU stored fault.
But you have to check water level on the coolant tank, right side under the
hood.
If it's low or empty instead of full to the top end as it should be, you
HAVE to find the coolant hoosing leak, most of the time it's on rear box but
check for coolant water sign on the floor after filling the tank to full
again.
dismount battery box and repair the leak with polyur?thane glue on the 2
crap plastic oblong hoose part where the leak is.

Generaly (if fault is well known and electronic cards not too much toasted)
these faulty ECU can be rebuilt, you can contact me by email off list.

Philippe
vehiculeselectriques.free.fr



2007/8/17, Thomas Ward :
>
> steve
>
> I don't think there is a controller suitable for the berlingo 162V Sepex
> motor.
>
> I believe you could use a Zilla on the armature with a constant voltage
> on the field. I asked Otmar about this and he dissuaded me from doing so.
>
>
> you can pick up spare parts for berlingos in france.
>
> I bought a few parts off a guy in bordeaux, he had one accident damaged
> van and one almost perfect but without the largest of the battery
> modules. I think he wanted 1500 euros for the whole thing. I can try to
> find his email address if you want. I initially contacted him via an
> advert on the forums of Phillip Borges vehiculeseletriques.free.fr
> website which is very useful if you can read French. I'm sure you will
> find some spare parts from there.
>
> I haven't heard any reports of the controller being unreliable but have
> heard many reports of citroen being unable to service. For example the
> battery cooling system on my berlingo developed a small leak last Spring
> and registered a low water fault. I took it to the Citroen garage, they
> told me the controller was faulty and that I needed to spend 5 grand on
> a new one. When I got it home I had a look and soon discovered the low
> water and the water leak. I refilled the water, completely disconnected
> the main and the 12V batteries, reconnected and the car was fine. There
> was nothing wrong with the controller, I drove it for another 8000 miles
> with no problems (other than having to top up the cooling water every
> trip and every charge).
>
>
>
> steve ollerton wrote:
> > Hello again
> >
> > If I decided to sack off the berlingo controller gubbins (which seem
> > fairly unreliable anyway) which controller would suit the 170V DC system
> > that this car has. Citroen want 5 grand for a new ECU / controller box.
> > Any cheaper options available?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > For subscription options, see
> > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
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>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:40:16 +0100
From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] another berlingo question
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi Steve,
  Just a thought, have you checked that the fault light is actually working?

That other unit I've got in for repair came from a vehicle with
similar symptoms, the power section is utterly blown up (and then
hack-repaired) and it had been sold like that with the fault light
taken out of the dash.  Must get on with fixing it.

Regards
Evan

On 8/17/07, Steve O <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Phillippe
>
>   Thanks for your reply. My eberlingo went from running fine to not running 
> with no warning lights at all.
>   First click of the ignition fires up the cooling system etc (whirring 
> noise) and the charge goes up to 100% on the dashboard. Trying to do the next 
> click to engage the main contactor - nothing. No green "drive" light, no 
> musical chime and no clunk of the main contactor. Hence it will not go. I 
> have taken the cover off the main ECU and there is no obvious burnt out 
> tracks but I do not really know what I am looking for!
>   Citroen say I need a new ECU.
>   A friend with some knowledge of these cars tells me some part of the "start 
> sequence" must not be working therefore the main contactor will not click. 
> The battery pack is in good order, There is no electrical fault light on the 
> dash. Any thoughts?
>   I would gladly buy a working ECU from a scrap vehicle if you know of one 
> that is working. Let me know the price / postage cost etc.
>
>   Merci!!
>
>   Steve
>
> "vehiculeselectriques.free.fr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Hello,
>
> These ECU are beautiful electronics and very reliable but whole system next
> to them is less ...
> Most common fault with PSA ECU is charger going into security mode.... or
> bang
> It happen near each time after leakage of battery/ECU colant system as water
> pump ... is now pumping air, no more cooling, 3kW charger is going hot to
> hell and cut off or die
> You can drive the car but no more charge it and find your car in half
> charged state with "electric fault" light ON at morning.
>
> Disconnecting High Voltage (Rear pack behind left wheel fuse is most
> easy/quick to catch) reset the ECU stored fault.
> But you have to check water level on the coolant tank, right side under the
> hood.
> If it's low or empty instead of full to the top end as it should be, you
> HAVE to find the coolant hoosing leak, most of the time it's on rear box but
> check for coolant water sign on the floor after filling the tank to full
> again.
> dismount battery box and repair the leak with polyur?thane glue on the 2
> crap plastic oblong hoose part where the leak is.
>
> Generaly (if fault is well known and electronic cards not too much toasted)
> these faulty ECU can be rebuilt, you can contact me by email off list.
>
> Philippe
> vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
>
>
>
> 2007/8/17, Thomas Ward :
> >
> > steve
> >
> > I don't think there is a controller suitable for the berlingo 162V Sepex
> > motor.
> >
> > I believe you could use a Zilla on the armature with a constant voltage
> > on the field. I asked Otmar about this and he dissuaded me from doing so.
> >
> >
> > you can pick up spare parts for berlingos in france.
> >
> > I bought a few parts off a guy in bordeaux, he had one accident damaged
> > van and one almost perfect but without the largest of the battery
> > modules. I think he wanted 1500 euros for the whole thing. I can try to
> > find his email address if you want. I initially contacted him via an
> > advert on the forums of Phillip Borges vehiculeseletriques.free.fr
> > website which is very useful if you can read French. I'm sure you will
> > find some spare parts from there.
> >
> > I haven't heard any reports of the controller being unreliable but have
> > heard many reports of citroen being unable to service. For example the
> > battery cooling system on my berlingo developed a small leak last Spring
> > and registered a low water fault. I took it to the Citroen garage, they
> > told me the controller was faulty and that I needed to spend 5 grand on
> > a new one. When I got it home I had a look and soon discovered the low
> > water and the water leak. I refilled the water, completely disconnected
> > the main and the 12V batteries, reconnected and the car was fine. There
> > was nothing wrong with the controller, I drove it for another 8000 miles
> > with no problems (other than having to top up the cooling water every
> > trip and every charge).
> >
> >
> >
> > steve ollerton wrote:
> > > Hello again
> > >
> > > If I decided to sack off the berlingo controller gubbins (which seem
> > > fairly unreliable anyway) which controller would suit the 170V DC system
> > > that this car has. Citroen want 5 grand for a new ECU / controller box.
> > > Any cheaper options available?
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > For subscription options, see
> > > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:53:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Z Wheelz website
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Designer of the Trimagnum, Trimmuter, Urba car. 
www.rqriley.com
--- David S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nice looking prototypes you got there.
> 
> The one thing I see is that the weight distribution
> seems a little off and
> might have some problems with the rear end sliding
> out during turns. I am
> trying to find a link that I used to have where a
> guy did a pretty write up
> of all of the different weight distribution options
> of a 3 wheeler. (anybody
> else have a link?)
> 
> Nice website and cool project.
> Let me know when the kits are ready to order.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of gary
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:50 PM
> To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
> Subject: [EVDL] Z Wheelz website
> 
> Here is the start of a website to show early plans
> and progress for some
> BEV's.  Feedback would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gary Krysztopik
> www.ZWheelz.com
> San Antonio, TX
>  
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:28:44 -0300
From: "Grant Clinch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Nichola Tesla
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Hi,
Does anyone know how Nichola Tesla managed to tap into the 8Hz of
energy in one of the atmospheric layers, and turn it into current to
drive a car ? ?
>From what I gather his equipment somehow induced a voltage from this
atmospheric source.



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:39:32 -0400
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Nichola Tesla
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> Hi,
> Does anyone know how Nichola Tesla managed to tap into the 8Hz of
> energy in one of the atmospheric layers, and turn it into current to
> drive a car ? ?
>>From what I gather his equipment somehow induced a voltage from this
> atmospheric source.
>
> Flux Crapaciter? Sorry, couldn't resist!Did he ACTUALLY drive a car with 
> broadcasted power? No WONDER they shut him down! Real Quick.

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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:12:15 -0800
From: "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] BMS for Deka Gel with BRUSA Charger
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hmmm. I figured it would be important to get some weight in the front.
But if I even managed it would be a squeeze.
You think they weight thing isn't an issue?

Tehben

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> On 16 Aug 2007 at 23:22, Mike Willmon wrote:
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> > He could never keep the front batteries as warm and wound up killing them.
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> In the S-10s, I'm pretty sure Solectria had all the batteries under the bed,
> so they would have been roughly the same temperature.  The Force had some
> batteries under the hood, some in the former spare tire well, and some under
> the rear seat.  This didn't seem to cause problems.  However, I'm pretty
> sure they had temp sensors in at least 2 of the battery boxes.  The Brusa
> NLG4 (used in many of the mid-90s Forces) had inputs for 2 sensors.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:15:30 -0400
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On 17 Aug 2007 at 14:28, Grant Clinch wrote:

> Does anyone know how Nichola Tesla managed to tap into the 8Hz of
> energy in one of the atmospheric layers, and turn it into current to
> drive a car ?

At the risk of cutting of discussion of a possibly valid subject, I'd like 
to urge caution here.  Any time I see the name Tesla, my warning beeper goes 
off.

Tesla is often cited by the "overunity" and "free energy" crowd. These 
topics are strongly discouraged on the EVDL, partly because they cause lots 
of heat and very little light.  Besides, our focus is on the vehicles, and 
not so much on the sources of electrical energy to operate them.

>From http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#conv

"Avoid posting about perpetual motion machines, overunity devices, and 
anything else that appears to violate the laws of physics. There's a pretty 
solid consensus on the list that these matters aren't appropriate for it."
 
Thanks,

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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:58:22 -0400
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Subject: [EVDL] Now OT - PV energy
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Folks, sorry to break in here, but please take the solar energy discussion 
offlist or to one of the many alt-energy and/or PV mailing lists or web 
forums (use a search engine).

I know it's sort of related to EVs.  But PV is not our main focus here, and 
past experience has shown that it tends to sprawl and take over a lot of 
list bandwidth.  Besides, there are lots of places which have even more 
collective PV experience (in some cases, lots more) than you'll find here.

Thanks!

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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:58:21 -0400
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On 17 Aug 2007 at 3:16, Michael Barkley wrote:

> [Three] Pentium4 computer heatsinks and fans on the flat
> surface of the controller ...  the high speed radiator fan
> from the original I.C.E. days of the car ... an inline bilge blower on the
> motor ...

I hate to ask it, but doesn't that make the car awfully noisy?

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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:58:22 -0400
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On 17 Aug 2007 at 17:21, Steve O wrote:

> Citroen say I need a new ECU.

Can you find a way to perform the functions without the ECU, or will the 
controller not work until the ECU tells it to?  Maybe you could figure out 
what the controller wants to hear from the ECU.  Just a (n ignorant) 
thought.
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:15:41 -0500
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Does anyone know how Nichola Tesla managed to tap into the 8Hz of
>> energy in one of the atmospheric layers, and turn it into current to
>> drive a car?

Bob Rice wrote:
> Flux Crapaciter? Sorry, couldn't resist! Did he ACTUALLY drive a car
> with broadcasted power? No WONDER they shut him down! Real Quick.

Tesla was truly a genius, with many brilliant inventions to his credit. 
But he lived at a time when people routinely stole ideas. Unless you 
were rich and well-connected, you had little chance for compensation.

He was also rather secretive and enigmatic by nature. So, it was only 
natural for him to explain as little as possible about how his 
inventions worked, for fear that they would be stolen. His descriptions 
to reporters were often deliberately misleading.

He really did run a car on broadcast power as a demonstration project. 
However, the "trick" was that it only ran on a specially prepared 
stretch of road, where he had constructed large loop antennas on each 
side using the fence wire and overhead power lines. This power was 
inductively coupled into a smaller loop antenna in the car itself.

This probably formed a low-power battery charger. The car itself had 
what he called capacitors (which were probably batteries) that got 
charged by the inductively coupled charger, so he could then drive at 
good speed for a short distance.

There are full-size working versions of this system in use today. Disney 
World has a "people mover" train that has passive cars with half of an 
electric motor in the car, and the other half in the center of the 
roadway underneath, somewhat like a center rail.

Inductran has been selling inductively coupled chargers for many years. 
Factories and warehouses bury them in the floor at strategic locations. 
Forklifts, personnel carriers, or material handling equipment can run 
around on batteries, and get recharged every time they park on top of 
one of these "hot spots".

So, the idea works... but is expensive to set up. It is the most 
practical when you have a short dedicated route, with either low power 
demands or frequent stops for recharging.
-- 
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in    --    Leonard Cohen
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