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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   2. Racing FUNd. (keith vansickle)
   3. Re: Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals? (damon henry)
   4. Re: Wow! I drifted Tweety today (Rod Hower)
   5. Re: Getting others turned on to EVs (Zeke Yewdall)
   6. curtis controllers (keith vansickle)
   7. Re: Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals? (Jim Husted)
   8. Re: EV controllers (Morgan LaMoore)
   9. Re: ***DHSPAM*** Re:  NEDRA record pages out of date
      ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  10. Daily driver vs. hobby: EV reliability issues & OEM mass
      production (Bob Bath)
  11. Re: Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals? (Bob Rice)
  12. Phoenix Ride and Drive (Carl Clifford)
  13. Re: S10 pickup conversion: long bed vs short bed
      (Cor van de Water)
  14. Re: Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals? (Chris Brune)
  15. Re: Getting others turned on to EVs (Dan Frederiksen)
  16. Re: Curtis Fuel Gauge - how it works (Lee Hart)
  17. Nevco EVs (Lee Hart)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:42:27 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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In a message dated 8/21/2007 6:34:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 

Jim, this is heads up racing, not bracket racing (thank goodness). It's  
all about the car, not the driver, so reaction time, red-light...no  
red-light, posturing and tricks to confuse the other guy, etc., all  
don't matter....it's whoever gets the best ET that wins, which I   
included  in your referenced in those quotes from me:
 
----------------------------------------------------
 
John, let me remind you, I was racing at the local drag strip before  your 
parents were putting diapers on you.
 
You may be able to mislead most of the people on the list but not me.  Tell 
it like it happened, your driver was sleeping on the line and the Mazda  kicked 
your cars butt...........plain and simple..........right??? don't lie,  tell 
the truth.
 
The old man....................still the quickest yada, yada,  yada.....
 
P.S. you almost got that one by me but I can still read.
 



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:42:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Racing FUNd.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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bob I too love to see em race but what racing fund?
where who how much what for who holds the cash etc
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/20/2007 7:48:36 A.M. Pacific
> Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] write
>  
> 
> So I'm stepping up to the plate with 100 bux toward
> the "Racing  Fund" I 
> would offer more, but I'm retired and sorta on a
> fixed income, no 14  hour 
> Acela jobs with fat overtime, anymore.Sigh! Yeah, it
> isn't much, but in  
> numbers we have strength? My reasoning that I
> couldn't afford to race like  
> Zombie, but I can enjoy her running, for a FRACTION
> of what it would cost me  
> to field a vehicle like that. Now IF I can find JW's
> Snail Mail Addie, in my  
> archives.
> 
> OK Over to youse  guyz.
> 
> Seeya
> 
> Bob
>  
> ------------------------------------------------
> why not throw that 100 dollars in the air and see
> who can grab it  first, 
> Dennis, Rodrick,  Wayland, I might chip in too, I
> love to see  a good 
> fight..................any blood?
>  
>  
> Jim L
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:07:59 +0000
From: damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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> John, let me remind you, I was racing at the local drag strip before your
> parents were putting diapers on you.
>
> You may be able to mislead most of the people on the list but not me. Tell
> it like it happened, your driver was sleeping on the line and the Mazda kicked
> your cars butt...........plain and simple..........right??? don't lie, tell
> the truth.
>
> The old man....................still the quickest yada, yada, yada.....
>
> P.S. you almost got that one by me but I can still read.


Hi Jim,

I think you are barking up the wrong tree here.  First of all, WZ is running on 
an open drags night, and there is absolutely nothing at stake.  None of the 
spectators, which I am one of the most frequent ones, can even see the end of 
the track because of the way it is laid out with a bridge over the top about 
halfway down.  In fact the racers often can't see the end of the track 
themselves because it is only marked by a couple of cones at the end.  They 
often guess as to when they should lift.  There is never an indication of who 
crossed the line first.  You get a clear view of the launch, and from the score 
board you can see each racers reaction time.  As the cars dissapear out of view 
your eyes switch over to the score boards where they change over to each 
drivers trap speed and finally their final ETs.  We all have to wait for the 
ETs to be posted to know who won the race.

Perhaps on the time slips there is a line that indicates who crossed the line 
first, although I am not sure one way or the other on that.  Of all the races 
I've been to I've never seen any indication of who crossed first.

Also, Tim usually has some of the better reaction times, perhaps because he 
doesn't have a clutch to slow him down.

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:08:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Wow! I drifted Tweety today
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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'Drifting' is cool, just make sure you don't make the
same mistake I did last year in a Silver NMG that was
on loan from MM.  I was coming back from my boat dock
and was on gravel/asphalt transition when I hit the
accelerator to hard.  The tire started spinning and
once it caught on asphalt with the front tires turned
I rolled it! (well, not completely, but the car went
beyond horizontal and then rolled right back up on all
3 wheels!)  Since I was almost into the grass when it
rolled I did minor damage to the vehicle. I drove the
vehicle home without even stopping (I live about 1/4
mile from the lake).   
Rod
--- Nikki Bloomfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Ken, I herby award you membership of the mad EV
> drivers club....
> 
> It's great when we do things in our EVs that regular
> Joes don't  
> expect eh? - Like this morning I passed a woman
> doing 50 on the local  
> two-lane highway. The road has a 50 limit but she
> was doing about 35. 
> ( And my lil' City El only normally does about
> 43-45mph!)
> 
> Nikki.
> 
> 
> On Aug 21, 2007, at 3:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> > It really wasn?t intentional, just one of those
> situational things.
> >
> > While on my way to work, I was sitting at a
> traffic light.  There  
> > was a
> > car facing me in the opposite lane.  I need to
> turn left.  The light
> > turns green and I am waiting for the on-coming car
> to go, but, he is
> > just sitting there looking at me.  I guess he is
> trying to figure out
> > what this silly looking thing is.  Now a car is
> approaching behind him
> > and I know he is wondering why this guy is sitting
> at a green light.
> > Then I notice the driver waving at me to go.  I?m
> thinking this is  
> > just
> > not right, but we are all just sitting here.  So I
> decide to go  
> > quickly
> > so as not to force the on-coming driver to have to
> stop at the green
> > light and besides, now there are cars behind me. 
> Then I notice the
> > on-coming car accelerating and apparently the
> driver of the stopped  
> > car
> > notices also so he starts to go.  I?m already out
> in the intersection,
> > feeling a bit hurried, so I punch it just a
> little.  The tire broke
> > into a loud burnout and instantly, I am sideways. 
> I quickly turn back
> > to the right to prevent spinning like a top and
> now I?m drifting
> > sideways.  I?m thinking, ?Hey this is kinda fun! 
> I notice that now I
> > am face to face with a Mercedes that is stopped at
> the red light in  
> > the
> > opposite lane.  I can plainly see the shock on his
> wide eyed face.  I
> > guess he can see my embarrassed face saying, ?Hey,
> I didn?t really  
> > mean
> > it!?  I continue the drift on around the Mercedes
> and lined up  
> > centered
> > in the right lane and drove on down the road as if
> nothing happened.
> >
> > It was a beautiful thing, although a bit
> embarrassing.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/983
> >
> >
> > On another note: Does anybody know the best way to
> get in touch with
> > Dick Brown?  I think Tweety might be itching for a
> stiffer pack.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:23:35 -0600
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Getting others turned on to EVs
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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In my conversion, I am aiming towards a little higher performance than
I was originally thinking.  I am perfectly happy with slow cars (my
other cars are 80's subarus, and 80's diesel pickup, a 70's
minipickup, and a diesel rabbit -- all known for being slow as sh--).
 But everyone keeps asking me about my glorified golf cart.... so I'm
a little motivated to make sure it won't be too slow  :)    Also, the
internet forum for the ford courier trucks, there's lots of people
stuffing 5 liter V-8's or 2.3 liter turbo mustang II engines in these
trucks.... it'd be sort of fun to make my electric one so its a bit
peppier than the stock 1.8 liter gas engine, and perhaps as fast as
their V8 conversions.  In that group, that would get alot more respect
for EV's

Z

On 8/21/07, Loni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let's find solutions.
>
> Fact: an EV conversion capable of impressing someone who is used to ICE
> acceleration and creature comforts is going to be expensive.
>
> Two solutions: The first is time. In time there will be enough competition
> in the marketplace to drive down component costs, especially batteries.
> Until then, does anyone know of a bank/credit union/private lending group
> that understands EVs and offers loans specifically for EVs and conversions?
> My guess is that such a thing doesn't exist, but it should. Until then, it's
> going to be home equity loans and lines of credit to get the job done,
> except for those few with cash in hand.
>
> Fact: There are too few conversion specialists out there right now, and
> their products get too little exposure.
>
> Solution: This is changing, albeit to slowly for my taste. More and more EVs
> are making a splash in the media. Appearance, feature content, range, and
> power are all improving quickly. But cottage industry conversion specialists
> are rare. Perhaps those in the business now should take the long view. Take
> lots of photos and video of each conversion and make as big a splash as you
> can with each one. Encourage mechanics and electrical engineers to attend
> workshops and learn about what's involved in a properly done conversion.
> Take on apprentices. Don't be worried about local competition taking away
> conversion business. Do the job properly and there will be plenty of work
> for everyone. Consider that in fifteen years young mechanics will be
> learning about EV repair and maintenance in school and ICE wrenching will be
> a dirty, fading memory.
>
> Until then, work hard and be smart. Find a way to put at least one EV on the
> road in your household, even if it means making sacrifices elsewhere. Think
> long-term. We're building the future, and we're late.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Getting others turned on to EVs
>
>
> >
> > --- Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Out of all the car people I've ever approached about
> >> EVs; I've never
> >> had one take an interest to it.
> >
> > Hey Ryan
> >
> > WOW, what a bummer, cause I can't talk fast enough
> > these days 8^o LMAO I'm actually horse from the
> > weekend!  Man, you got to move to Oregon or Florida or
> > something, hehe.
> >>
> >> My guesses are many.  I think it's because it's
> >> "new" and "different"
> >> and out of their comfort zone and also, not
> >> something they know about
> >> or are well versed in.  Also the fact that it's
> >> uncommon and "not
> >> everyone is doing it" and they not being early
> >> adopters, explorers, or
> >> adventurers.
> >
> > I'll conceed that it's not EVeryone cup of tea, nor do
> > I sell it as such.  Just this evening I had a call
> > from a 68 year old gentleman who ran against Wayland
> > at PIR back in 04 just before John and I met.  Well I
> > spent 2 hours chatting with the guy (thanks Steve, FT,
> > LMAO) explaining basic EV options and issues and why I
> > couldn't inform him of his best motor option without
> > knowing other facts, lol.  I sent him to the EV photo
> > album (God that site can save a man some time)(You
> > rock Mike the sites awesome, send people there daily
> > anymore it feels 8^)
> >
> > The one thing against the adventurer / explorer thing
> > is mankind is always advancing.  In fact I know that
> > most people are sheep, but all sheep need, is a good
> > shepard to lead and they'll just bahhh themselves to
> > death to follow 8^)
> >
> >> One thing that doesn't help is the
> >> flat out, right up
> >> front, cost of the components.
> >
> > You know, when you buy a car they make you pay, it
> > comes out of the paycheck first kinda thing!  Reminds
> > me of my late brother in law who went to buy a new car
> > and they were pretty high intrest and I advised
> > putting that payment into the bank EVery month for two
> > years and keep his car until then.  About 18 months
> > into the payments the car became less fun and a huge
> > burden but he still made those payments, for 3 1/2
> > years, LMAO!  If you're serious about owning an EV
> > then in two years time (it'll blow right by, believe
> > me) you be looking set to rock, maybe enough to
> > impress EVen your power hungry self 8^P
> >
> >> Another is the
> >> unknowns of performance
> >> and range they would ultimately have and also, their
> >> perceptions and
> >> impressions of performance and range of EVs they may
> >> have previously
> >> read about or seen.
> >
> > It is unfortunent that there isn't that ICE to EV
> > info.  Imagine how it's been for the guys doing it 20
> > years ago 8^o  Damn candy store now by comparison, so
> > it's getting there.  Like discussed above there are
> > many sheep that need to touch, hear, and taste it
> > before they'll jump aboard, sounds like we need a
> > shepard where you live, you up to the challenge 8^)
> >
> >> Some of them have too much
> >> invested in their fuel
> >> burner(time/money).  Some of them might not even
> >> have the skills to do
> >> a conversion or electricity in general doesn't
> >> appeal to them or like
> >> many, don't fully understand and grasp all or most
> >> of electricity's
> >> various nuances.  Another could be they just don't
> >> desire to own or be
> >> involved with an EV for whatever reason.  Car type
> >> people are somewhat
> >> rare to begin with anyways(gear heads/motor
> >> heads/drag racers/hot
> >> rodders)*.
> >
> > No one can save the world, I know I'd hate to have
> > that on my shoulders 8^o but I can help shape and mold
> > my local group and those that come into my life.
> > I've talked to hundreds of people in the last 2 years
> > and although but a few, I see people here that I've
> > introduced here.  It's like fishing, you hook and
> > loose 20 before you get one in (hey I never said I was
> > good at fishing, just like to fish, kind of the same
> > thing with the EV gossple 8^)
> >
> >> I personally like the challenge of getting both the
> >> desired
> >> performance and range out of the EV package and also
> >> the lack of
> >> emissions and maintenance.  The price though.  I
> >> need to make more
> >> money.  I'd convert both my vehicles and then some..
> >
> > Well you and me both 8^)  Cost is a factor for many of
> > us.  That's why I'm starting small and working up,
> > just got me a kickin Gocart from Brian Hall for some
> > motor work I'll be throwing some love into soon 8^)
> > Beyond that though my focus is my shop so it's hard
> > for me to justify money for a car when it can go into
> > the shop and serve a larger purpose so to speak (for
> > those who worry about my EV-lessness).  Anyway I also
> > think that small and perky can be just as impressive
> > as large and scary beyond imagination, but then that's
> > just me 8^)  I'm sure my Gocart will snap a few heads
> > 8^P
> >
> >> *I was rebuilding the 8.8" in my Mustang(new seals,
> >> bearings, gear
> >> swap, clutches in the traction-loc).  During the
> >> setup of the ring and
> >> pinion, the thought crossed my mind about how few
> >> people will EVER do
> >> that with a differential and how FEW people out of
> >> all of human
> >> existence from beginning to end will EVER do that.
> >> It was a moment to
> >> say the least.
> >
> > You know I was elbow deep in a slimy piece of crap
> > forklift motor and thought that very same thing today
> > 8^P LMAO!
> >
> >> Maybe someday I can buy a Zilla for $4850(might need
> >> two if John has
> >> success), and a 13" WarP for $4900, or a two motor
> >> setup from Jim, and
> >> 60 EnerSys batteries or an A123 setup and a charger
> >> from Rich.
> >
> > You know Ryan no goal is EVer met unless you really
> > want it 8^)  Think about all those Hooter girls you're
> > passing by right now, when you could be throwing them
> > around the parking lot if you had a fast EV 8^o  (yeah
> > that goes for you to Matt 8^) (Ohh ya that's right you
> > have that I'm married excuse thing going on now 8^P
> >
> > EVen John and Bill, you don't think they work their
> > butts off getting sponsors on top of their out of
> > pocket expences!  I bet it's a second job (and that's
> > after they had fast EV's, but they do what it takes
> > cause it's something they want and believe in 8^)
> >
> >
> >> It all goes back too:  The very same people who
> >> can't pony up the cash
> >> for a conversion are the very same ones who can
> >> purchase a brand new
> >> 2008 model car for ~$30,000.  All because they can
> >> pay it off at
> >> $200/300/400+ a month.  Same goes for a $150-$200k+
> >> house.  And they
> >> have both.  But an EV conversion?  Totally out of
> >> the budget.
> >
> > On top of my above thoughts why does it matter?  Each
> > of us has to walk our own path, what does Ryan want?
> > How bad do you want it? and what are you willing to do
> > to achieve it? I don't bumm out if someone doesn't
> > follow, I move to the next guy in line, LMAO.
> >
> >> Can I buy a Zilla for $100 a month?  How about the
> >> motor for $100 a
> >> month?  Would definitely make EV conversions
> >> affordable.  I definitely
> >> have $200 each month...
> >>
> >> I hear you , I hear you.  Put it all on some credit
> >> card or take out
> >> some sort of loan to cover the conversion?
> >
> > God I feel old saying this but, Life don't owe you a
> > living, sieze the day.  I've read most if not all your
> > posts and I'm bet to say you'd build a rad EV if you
> > put your mind and heart into it.  Those same people
> > you describe will be on you like shit on a stick
> > wanting to know alllll about it.  One day you'll look
> > back and find you weren't half bad a shepard either
> > I'm thinking 8^)
> >
> > Anyway I just wanted to throw some of my thoughts at
> > you and hope they are well received (better be or I'll
> > stab you with my Spartan spear when we meet)(I'm sure
> > we'll meet someday so you better not give me any
> > Nanny, Nanny either 8^P LMAO  Build a gocart if you're
> > that money tight I'll set you up on payments for a
> > small motor, No that offer doesn't stand for you other
> > 1000 motor weasles 8^)  I'm just tired of hearing
> > about it and I'm guessing that if we get this man an
> > EV grin there'll be no stopping him, LMAO!
> >
> > Cya
> > Jim Husted
> > Hi-Torque Electric
> >
> > BTW Ryan EVeryone's ticked at you now cause I spent my
> > time writing this and not my PIR post, LMAO 8^P  I
> > don't know bout the rest of you folks but I was like
> > walking flesh today!  Always fun, always worth it
> > though 8^)  Getting people turned on HAH! I can't
> > shake them all off my leg fast enough 8^o
> >
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:28:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] curtis controllers
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Is there a company or individual on the list that
re-builds curtis controllers? Prefer west coast.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:52:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
> John, let me remind you, I was racing at the local
> drag strip before  your 
> parents were putting diapers on you.
>  
> You may be able to mislead most of the people on the
> list but not me.  Tell 
> it like it happened, your driver was sleeping on the
> line and the Mazda  kicked 
> your cars butt...........plain and
> simple..........right??? don't lie,  tell 
> the truth.
>  
> The old man....................still the quickest
> yada, yada,  yada.....
>  
> P.S. you almost got that one by me but I can still
> read.

Hey Jim

I've been reading your posts and to honest it seems
you are trying to sow strife here!  There is nothing
positive or constructive in any of your remarks!  In
reality what do you care as to who's faster between
John and Dennis? Besides having what appears to be an
Everest sized chip on your shoulder!

I just spent my whole Saturday hanging out at Markos
shop trying to offer help and advise to Mike K so he
could turn up his controller and juice down the track
faster.  Believe me, I had better (okay funner) things
to have done with my time!  Being that he'd come all
the way from San Diego I wanted him to do his best
regardless of whether he "beat" Waylands time or not!
Somewhere along the way you lost that community
commitment, at least that is how it reads.

As most people here know, I have no problem speaking
my mind 8^o  (it's what EVil twins do best 8^) FWIW
Even though you've had many past successes I've found
that I have lost a lot of respect for you in your
brash "all about me" attitude!

BTW John no longer drives the Zombie, he's deligated
that job to a younger man.  We all grow old, we'll all
die and the only thing that will survive are our
actions, both past and present!  Just something to
think about.

Maybe you should change your email address to "MrWent
Fast" and stop bad mouthing those who are still out
there racing and trying to do the best they can! while
having fun dong it!!!

Opinions are like a**holes EVeryone has one 8^)  do
with this as you feel fit ;^)  I for one am tired of
hearing you bash the guys who are doing great things
for the EV community 8^(

This has nothing to do with me as I have very little
pride to crush but I doubt anyone likes having their
deeds deminished.  With that said I doubt anyone has
any bad words about what you did when John was in
diapers 8^P

Just my rebuttle to your strife filled posts here
these days.

Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric


       
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:56:57 -0500
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV controllers
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
        <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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As an example, United Chemi-Con has some caps that are 5600 uF 0.044 Ohm
each. 20 in parallel costs $150 and gives me 112 mF at 2.2 mOhm. For some
sample numbers, say we're providing 300A to the motor at 50% duty cycle.
That should be roughly 150A from the batteries at full voltage and 150A from
the caps. 150A*2.2mOhm=0.33V. (150A)/(.5*15kHz*.112F)=0.18V. That gives a
total drop of 0.51V, which is small compared to the battery voltage, and
should be smoothed out by the inductance of the battery wires.

I agree that the cost of my mistakes may be higher than the controller
itself. That doesn't bug me; I'll have fun with it and I'll learn a lot.

I know it would be about the same cost to buy a controller and I'll spend
tons of time on it. That's fine by me; this will probably be the most fun
part of building the entire car.

I agree that it might be a good idea to start smaller. I'm already working
on a 50W controller to help my roommate, and it might be fun to make a
3-phase bridge for an alternator-based go-cart. That would be a great
intermediate-power project.

Yes, I know that I have too many projects going on. It will be a while
before I even start an EV controller, and by then I'll have finished some
smaller stuff. I do plan on building the controller for my first EV, though.

-Morgan LaMoore

On 8/21/07, Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > more soon.
> >
> > As for cost, 10 90A 100V FETs in parallel, several huge caps (about half
> a
> > kiloJoule worth), and some big diodes will give me the power stage for
> > uunder $300 (I've priced it out).
>
> What is the ESR for those caps?  at that price I can't imagine that it
> will be good enough for a 72V 250A controller (about what those FETs are
> good for)
>
>
> > Add in another $300 for control, a case,
>
> not to mention the extra cost for replacing the silicon a few times as you
> (hopefully) learn from your mistakes. It doesn't take many mistakes to
> push the price over the $700 it would cost to buy a 72v 400A controller.
>
> If you reaaly want the learning expierence, I'd recommend starting samller
> where the mistakes are cheaper,   say 36V @ 50A.  that's enough power for
> a fun scooter / ebike
>
> > cooling,
> > and misc. costs, and I should have a 600A continuous (higher peak)
> > controller for a 72V system for about $600.
>
> actually you usually need to derate the silicon to aound 1/3 - 1/4 in
> order for it to survive long enough to detect and correct for and over
> current situation.
>
> > I guess if DC series-wound regen were
> > possible,
> > the Zilla would already have it.
>
> regen with a series motor is possible, there are a couple different
> problems.
>
> one problem is the brush angle.  Unless you have one of the rare series
> motors that have interpoles, the brushes need to be advanced for normal
> operation to avoid arcing, but they need to be retarded for regen.
> So series motors set up for regen usualy have the brushes at the neutral
> position which isn't particularly good for either normal or regen
> operation. Several folks have fried their motors with regen setups.
>
> Another problem is that series regen usually isn't very efficient.  It
> slows you down, but doesn't put much juice back in the pack.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:11:08 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ***DHSPAM*** Re:  NEDRA record pages out of date
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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In a message dated 8/21/2007 7:38:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 

Very impressive accomplishments, indeed (other than being a sex starved  
senior citizen).  However, words mean things...so when you say you're  
the 2nd quickest EVer (Circuit Breaker...still love that name) behind  
Dennis, your words say Dennis (his rail) is the quickest EV, which is  
not accurate to keep saying.
 
--------------------------------------------------------
 
the sex starved and the senior citizen part both are out of my  control. 
 
You got me there, I should have said "the second quickest lead acid EV  
behind the first quickest lead acid EV"...........hey nobodys  perfict. 
 


My 'words' were not meant to take away from your accomplishments at  all. 
I was a big fan of Circuit Breaker. One of my favorite videos is still  
the one where a pro German TV crew captured Circuit Breaker as filmed  
from above, as it leaves the line with the rear slicks smoking!
 
---------------------------------------------------
 
There is a video?? Where?? How much??
 
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 


I was merely trying to point out that your tag line about Dennis  and 
Current Eliminator was not accurate and needed to be changed. I'm sure  
others noticed it but just let it go. I am the type that believes that  
misinformation gone unchallenged, sometimes becomes fact. We need to  
keep our facts about EV accomplishments accurate.

Bill's bike is now  the world's quickest EV, and it is a disservice to 
Bill and his crew to keep  saying that Dennis and Current Eliminator 
still are. Dennis is to be  commended for being the quickest EVer for 
sooooo long, but for now, the  title of 'World's Quickest EV' belongs to 
Bill and his bike.
 
----------------------------------
 
I can't dispute that, Bill is doing a great job.
 
xxxxxxxxxxx

Current Eliminator with lithium? Oh, yeah! Can you say  7s?
 
----------------------------------------
 
Come on Dennis spend some of your money and see what the old dragster will  
do.
 
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 

Jim.......... just the old guy watching you kids play.





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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Daily driver vs. hobby: EV reliability issues & OEM
        mass    production
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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After 4 years of a VoltsRabbit, and 3.5 years of
CivicWithACord, I feel qualified to discuss my
concerns and hopes for the future.
The fact is, there are some things that will only come
from experience.  While you learn them, you'll likely
have a 3rd vehicle as a humiliating backup for when
things go wrong.  Examples:
- You powdercoated with polyester powdercoat, not
epoxy powdercoat.  Your car is down 5 days to have the
powdercoating re-done.
- You relied on monitoring voltage too carefully, not
current. As a result, your batteries were chronically
undercharged.  You got 2 yrs., instead of 4 or more,
and your car is down for 2 weeks while the batteries
get ordered. You also go to a different e-meter
powering system, so that you can monitor charging
current and voltage w/o the car being down.
- Your controller has condensation issues, has massive
silicon failure,  and your car is down 3 weeks while
it gets rebuilt into a more reliable version.
- Your DCDC takes too long to charge the aux. battery,
so it dies prematurely, and your car needs to be towed
home.  It's a week before the higher current DCDC
comes in and you can install it.
- Your friend may be a nice dude, but he's a cruddy
welder.  Your rig is down for 4 days while the weld on
a now-broken motor mount is re-done.
- Your mis-wire your e-meter prescaler, toasting it.

I'm noticing that in no instance above except for
battery charging and the last one, was it directly my
fault, unless one counts "lack of complete knowledge
of each component" as being a "fault".  Each one of
the above would be solved if the OEMs made EVs. In my
perfect world, I could go to NAPA Auto Parts, and pick
up the blown controller, or higher power DCDC, or
whatever _immediately_.  But no, I've got to cobble
together the best available parts from several
vendors.
Senkowski- controller
Belktronix- DCDC converter and e-meter power supply.
ElectroAuto or EVParts or EVAmerica- motor, vac. pump,
etc.
Local vendor- welding
Interstate- batteries
Port Plastics- polypropy
- and the list goes on and on.  Sure, it's all for the
"good of the cause," but after 7 years, I'm not so
sure I can ever go to just two rigs.
'01 Corolla: wife's car
95 Odyssey: my long range rig & my backup (see list of
whines, above)
92 Civic: daily EV driver, unless...

Tomorrow can't come fast enough. <sigh>  Here's to
hoping we use up our gasoline supply soon... for all
the right reasons.
(;-p

 

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:46:07 -0400
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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  Hi Jim;

  THANKS! You said it! Better than I coulda. Ya know if ALL these parties 
throwing  grenades at each other were to sit down at, lets say, that Mexican 
Place we used to go to, near Johns in PDX? Over a good dinner, spirits 
flowing, all thse differences would be settled out in good spirit! I would 
be happy to pick up the tab, EVen. After a afternoon with the trak RENTED 
for All the EV's in question to RUN, get out there and test 'n tune, a bit 
too.After having all the cars flown in in my chartered cargo jet, from 
Fedex, with Lister Rob Neighbors driving ? No 1000 plus trailer halls! I can 
dream, still?

   Like the guy said in LA" Can't we all get along"?Without the verbal 
beating up? Was that BEFORE LAPD beat the S*** out of him?Will the beatings 
continue until morale improves?

   From Afar

   Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>

>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> John, let me remind you, I was racing at the local............

> Hey Jim
>
> I've been reading your posts and to honest it seems
> you are trying to sow strife here!  There is nothing
> positive or constructive in any of your remarks!  In
> reality what do you care as to who's faster between
> John and Dennis? Besides having what appears to be an
> Everest sized chip on your shoulder!
>
> I just spent my whole Saturday hanging out at Markos
> shop trying to offer help and advise to Mike K so he
> could turn up his controller and juice down the track
> faster.  Believe me, I had better (okay funner) things
> to have done with my time!  Being that he'd come all
> the way from San Diego I wanted him to do his best
> regardless of whether he "beat" Waylands time or not!
> Somewhere along the way you lost that community
> commitment, at least that is how it reads.
>
> As most people here know, I have no problem speaking
> my mind 8^o  (it's what EVil twins do best 8^) FWIW
> Even though you've had many past successes I've found
> that I have lost a lot of respect for you in your
> brash "all about me" attitude!
>
> BTW John no longer drives the Zombie, he's deligated
> that job to a younger man.  We all grow old, we'll all
> die and the only thing that will survive are our
> actions, both past and present!  Just something to
> think about.
>
> Maybe you should change your email address to "MrWent
> Fast" and stop bad mouthing those who are still out
> there racing and trying to do the best they can! while
> having fun dong it!!!
>
> Opinions are like a**holes EVeryone has one 8^)  do
> with this as you feel fit ;^)  I for one am tired of
> hearing you bash the guys who are doing great things
> for the EV community 8^(
>
> This has nothing to do with me as I have very little
> pride to crush but I doubt anyone likes having their
> deeds deminished.  With that said I doubt anyone has
> any bad words about what you did when John was in
> diapers 8^P
>
> Just my rebuttle to your strife filled posts here
> these days.
>
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:56:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carl Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Phoenix Ride and Drive
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I can't make it to this tomorrow, but if anybody can, please do!  It would be 
great to hear some real feedback on this vehicle.
   
  Attendees at UQM Technologies Annual Shareholders Meeting to Experience the 
Exhilarating Performance of an All-Electric Phoenix Motorcars Sport Utility 
Truck at Ride and Drive Event
4:00p ET August 16, 2007 (Business Wire) 
UQM TECHNOLOGIES, INC. (AMEX: UQM), a developer of alternative energy 
technologies, announced today that shareholders and other attendees at its 
annual meeting of shareholders will have an opportunity to experience the 
exhilarating performance of the all-electric Phoenix Sport Utility Truck, 
propelled by a UQM(R) PowerPhase 100kW electric propulsion system, during a 
ride and drive event. The ride and drive will begin following the meeting which 
is being held at the Renaissance Suites at Flatiron, 500 Flatiron Boulevard, 
Broomfield, Colorado 80021, beginning at 10:00 a.m. on August 22, 2007. 
  The Phoenix all-electric SUT accelerates from 0 to 60 miles per hour in less 
than 10 seconds, has a top speed of 100 miles per hour. The vehicle's 35kWh 
NanoSafe(TM) battery pack supplied by Altair Nanotechnologies, Inc. (NASDAQ: 
ALTI) which can be recharged in less than 10 minutes. The vehicle, which is 
expected to qualify as a Type III ZEV in California, will travel up to 135 
miles between charges in a typical fleet duty cycle. 
  "We are pleased to offer our shareholders the opportunity to experience the 
exceptional performance of the all-electric Phoenix zero emission SUT. The 
vehicle's exceptional performance is made possible by our high torque and 
highly efficient propulsion system, and we are pleased to provide attendees the 
opportunity to experience this performance firsthand," said William G. Rankin, 
UQM Technologies' President and Chief Executive Officer. 
  Directions to the meeting are available on our website at 
www.uqm.com/investor/newsroom.html. 
  UQM Technologies, Inc. is a developer and manufacturer of power dense, high 
efficiency electric motors, generators and power electronic controllers for the 
automotive, aerospace, medical, military and industrial markets. A major 
emphasis of the Company is developing products for the alternative energy 
technologies sector including propulsion systems for electric, hybrid electric, 
plug-in hybrid electric and fuel cell electric vehicles, under-the-hood power 
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applications. The Company's headquarters, engineering and product development 
center, and motor manufacturing operation are located in Frederick, Colorado. 
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:12:54 -0700
From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] S10 pickup conversion: long bed vs short bed
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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First of all, it depends which size of battery you are going
to put under the bed.
Let's assume T-105 for now.
They are more than 10" by slightly over 7".
Between the frame rails is about 33" but you cannot
place 3 next to each other due to the drive shaft being in
the way. So, you can place a sequence of batteries from
cabin to rear axle along each frame rails.
In case of a long bed, you have about 44" so you may
be able to place 6 on each side of the driveshaft,
12 in total.
Now how can others have more batteries under the bed
even with a short bed?
Two other places allow batteries:
- behind the rear axle, between the struts is approx
28" available, I was able to squeeze 4 batteries side
by side between the struts as I dared not to go further
back, as this will will load the rear axle way too much.
(The further out, the larger the impact on the rear
axle: with a 72 lbs battery two feet behind the rear
axle, you add at least 100 lbs weight to the rear axle,
because the battery unloads the front axle and the rear
has to make up for that. And that is only static loading,
the dynamic loading (handling) is even worse.

Anyway - the other place where you can store batteries
is outside the frame rails.
Dependent on how much you want to modify the bed's
sheet metal sides, there is at least 7" of space when
keeping the curving-in bed and up to a ft of space if
you want to use all the space to the side of the truck.
Note that you will need to relocate the brake lines
(both hydraulic line and emergency brake cable) at the
driver side.
Long bed allows a max of 33" box between cabin and wheels,
so you may be able to place 3 outside the frame rails at
each side.
Using all 3 places, this adds up to 12 + 4 + 6 = 22 under
a long bed.
I have no measurements of a short bed, but I guess you
lose at least one, possibly 2 batteries in each set in
front of the wheels, so either 8 + 4 + 4 = 16 or
10 + 4 + 4 = 18 for a short bed.

Checking pictures on the EV Album and contacting owners
will help, as well as doing your own measurements on the
truck you like. 

Hope this helps,

Cor van de Water
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Long
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:52 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] S10 pickup conversion: long bed vs short bed

On Sun, 2007-08-19 at 22:07 -0700, David D. Nelson wrote:
>  So, how many 6V flooded
> batteries can fit under the beds of the two bed lengths?

I've got 16 under the bed of my '94 short bed.

Rich

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:15:35 +0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Brune)
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
        

Hi Marty,
Yes you are correct I am running clutchless manual transmission.  For both 
races I started in 2nd and went to 3rd and then to 4th gears.  I would say it 
takes about 1-2 seconds to shift gears.

The above is why when anyone who asks me I do not recommend a clutchless design.

Regards,
Chris Brune


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Chris, you're running a clutchless manual according to 
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/342 , right?  How many gears did you use, 
> and if more than one, how much time do you suppose it took to shift?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Brune" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Anyone heard from the NEDRA Nationals?
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> > I had a great time on Friday, actually quite a few more cars there than I 
> > had expected.
> >
> > For the record I ran twice with very consistent times.  About 22.4 seconds 
> > right at 60 mph.  This is with 144V of Optimas and a Curtis 1231C 
> > controller driving a 9 inch Advanced DC.  I suspect that if I had a Zilla 
> > I'd probably knock at least 2-3 seconds off of this.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chris Brune
> >
> >
> >> In addition to the above, Plasma Boy Racing team member Chris Brune
> >> raced his Honda...
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:33:55 +0200
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Getting others turned on to EVs
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I hear what you are saying. which is why I'm pushing for an open source 
cheap and powerful controller that people can make for themselves or 
even to sell to others. preferably including charger and DCDC because 
those 3 components make up a relatively nasty chunk of money and they 
don't really have to. a single cheap unit would make a lot of difference.

a good and easy way to get the motor coupler would be a great help too. 
doesn't have to be super cheap if we could just eliminate that custom 
element. you can buy some for 750$ if the patterns are known but 
naturally they don't have for all possible cars yet.

batteries is another semi problem but that's harder for us as 
enthusiasts to fix. but can we fix the two first then I think we are in 
a good position to force the hand of big auto if they decide to keep 
stalling and never give us the real deal.

Dan

Loni wrote:
> Let's find solutions.
>
> Fact: an EV conversion capable of impressing someone who is used to ICE
> acceleration and creature comforts is going to be expensive.
>
> Two solutions: The first is time. In time there will be enough competition
> in the marketplace to drive down component costs, especially batteries.
> Until then, does anyone know of a bank/credit union/private lending group
> that understands EVs and offers loans specifically for EVs and conversions?
> My guess is that such a thing doesn't exist, but it should. Until then, it's
> going to be home equity loans and lines of credit to get the job done,
> except for those few with cash in hand.
>
> Fact: There are too few conversion specialists out there right now, and
> their products get too little exposure.
>
> Solution: This is changing, albeit to slowly for my taste. More and more EVs
> are making a splash in the media. Appearance, feature content, range, and
> power are all improving quickly. But cottage industry conversion specialists
> are rare. Perhaps those in the business now should take the long view. Take
> lots of photos and video of each conversion and make as big a splash as you
> can with each one. Encourage mechanics and electrical engineers to attend
> workshops and learn about what's involved in a properly done conversion.
> Take on apprentices. Don't be worried about local competition taking away
> conversion business. Do the job properly and there will be plenty of work
> for everyone. Consider that in fifteen years young mechanics will be
> learning about EV repair and maintenance in school and ICE wrenching will be
> a dirty, fading memory.
>
> Until then, work hard and be smart. Find a way to put at least one EV on the
> road in your household, even if it means making sacrifices elsewhere. Think
> long-term. We're building the future, and we're late.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "EVDL" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:46 PM
> Subject: [EVDL] Getting others turned on to EVs
>
>
>   
>> Out of all the car people I've ever approached about EVs; I've never
>> had one take an interest to it.
>>
>> My guesses are many.  I think it's because it's "new" and "different"
>> and out of their comfort zone and also, not something they know about
>> or are well versed in.  Also the fact that it's uncommon and "not
>> everyone is doing it" and they not being early adopters, explorers, or
>> adventurers.  One thing that doesn't help is the flat out, right up
>> front, cost of the components.  Another is the unknowns of performance
>> and range they would ultimately have and also, their perceptions and
>> impressions of performance and range of EVs they may have previously
>> read about or seen.  Some of them have too much invested in their fuel
>> burner(time/money).  Some of them might not even have the skills to do
>> a conversion or electricity in general doesn't appeal to them or like
>> many, don't fully understand and grasp all or most of electricity's
>> various nuances.  Another could be they just don't desire to own or be
>> involved with an EV for whatever reason.  Car type people are somewhat
>> rare to begin with anyways(gear heads/motor heads/drag racers/hot
>> rodders)*.
>>
>> I personally like the challenge of getting both the desired
>> performance and range out of the EV package and also the lack of
>> emissions and maintenance.  The price though.  I need to make more
>> money.  I'd convert both my vehicles and then some..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *I was rebuilding the 8.8" in my Mustang(new seals, bearings, gear
>> swap, clutches in the traction-loc).  During the setup of the ring and
>> pinion, the thought crossed my mind about how few people will EVER do
>> that with a differential and how FEW people out of all of human
>> existence from beginning to end will EVER do that.  It was a moment to
>> say the least.
>>
>> I bought a turbo for $500:
>>
>> http://www.miketurboinc.com/specials.htm
>>
>> Maybe someday I can buy a Zilla for $4850(might need two if John has
>> success), and a 13" WarP for $4900, or a two motor setup from Jim, and
>> 60 EnerSys batteries or an A123 setup and a charger from Rich.
>>
>> It all goes back too:  The very same people who can't pony up the cash
>> for a conversion are the very same ones who can purchase a brand new
>> 2008 model car for ~$30,000.  All because they can pay it off at
>> $200/300/400+ a month.  Same goes for a $150-$200k+ house.  And they
>> have both.  But an EV conversion?  Totally out of the budget.
>>
>> Can I buy a Zilla for $100 a month?  How about the motor for $100 a
>> month?  Would definitely make EV conversions affordable.  I definitely
>> have $200 each month...
>>
>> I hear you , I hear you.  Put it all on some credit card or take out
>> some sort of loan to cover the conversion?
>>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:31:27 -0700
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Curtis Fuel Gauge - how it works
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Robert Chew wrote:
>> Anyone know how the curtis fuel gauge works? Does it use the sag
>> in the voltage of the battery pack to somehow determine the Ah
>> removed?

James Massey wrote:
> To the best of my knowlege, there are three types of Curtis "fuel
> Gauge": 
> 1) The true Ah counter type with a 'sample cell' that connects in
>    parallel to a single cell of the traction pack, that counts the
>    Ah's in and out of the sample cell to determine the pack's
>    representative state of charge.
> 
> 2) The later version that uses an electrolytic capacitor in place of
>    the cell, a bit less accurate.

1) and 2) describe the Anderson SOC gauges. They patented these
techniques, so I doubt Curtis has used them.

> 3) an expanded-scale voltmeter type.

This is how the Curtis gauges I've seen have worked. Basically, they are
an expanded-scale voltmeter. Additionally, there is circuitry so they
only move downward, so in effect they read the minimum battery voltage
seen. The gauge "sticks" at this lowest-voltage reading until the
charger takes the pack voltage high enough for long enough to "reset" it
to full (i.e. pack voltage exceeds about 2.5v/cell).

-- 
"Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
has!" -- Margaret Mead
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:40:42 -0700
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Nevco EVs
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I got a call from an outfit that has a fleet of NEVs made by Nevco in
Oregon or Washington (not sure which). Nevco is out of business, and
they have been having problems getting them serviced.

Does anyone have any experience with these NEVs? I'm on vacation this
week and so can't get over to take a look yet, but wanted to gather some
information before-hand. They apparently have 48v packs and a DCP
controller, and are having reliability problems.
--
"Never doubt that the work of a small group of thoughtful, committed
citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
has!" -- Margaret Mead
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net




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