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Today's Topics:

   1. KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout EVer)
      (Derek Barger)
   2. Re: Odd size tire source needed (Phil Marino)
   3. Re: Test Drive Motor Stink (James Massey)
   4. Re: Test Drive Motor Stink ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   5. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout EVer)
      (Steven Ciciora)
   6. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout EVer)
      (Bruce Weisenberger)
   7. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout EVer)
      (keith vansickle)
   8. Re: Possible source for controllers...or not? (keith vansickle)
   9. Re: Magazine dedicated to EVs? (Jeff Shanab)
  10. Re: A123 Battery Feasibility (Jeff Shanab)
  11. Re: Test Drive Motor Stink (Jim Husted)
  12. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout EVer)
      (Ryan Stotts)
  13. gear drive ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  14. Re: Motor Stink (Jim Husted)
  15. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout EVer)
      (Jim Husted)
  16. Re: Brass Bolts? (Phil Marino)
  17. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout
      EVer) (Bill Dube)
  18. Re: Brass Bolts? (Ryan Stotts)
  19. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout
      EVer) (Bill Dube)
  20. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat,  Sept 1st (was:OMG KillaCycle
      AP article picked up by FOX news) (Jim Husted)
  21. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout EVer)
      (Ryan Stotts)
  22. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat,  Sept 1st (Best Burnout
      EVer) (Bob Rice)
  23. Re: gear drive (Roland Wiench)
  24. Re: Possible source for controllers...or not? (Timothy Balcer)
  25. Re: Magazine dedicated to EVs? (David Roden (Akron OH USA))
  26. Re: Brass Bolts? (David D. Nelson)
  27. Re: Motor wish list (Jim Husted)
  28. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout EVer)
      (Derek Barger)
  29. Re: KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout EVer)
      (Derek Barger)
  30. Re: Motor Stink ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 05:10:47 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout
        EVer)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I uploaded a video of the best burnout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPgg3-NMWAQ
I think you will like this one. Zilla set at 900amps, New tire.

Thanks,
Derek Barger
High Tech Systems LLC
KillaCycle Team Member



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:49:31 -0400
From: "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Odd size tire source needed
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Mark -

165/70-13 would probably be OK,  but 165/65-13's  would be better - they 
would be closer to the original tire OD, so the speedo and Odo would be 
pretty close. ( probably within 1/2 %)

You can get Bridgestone RE92's in this size ( 165/65-13) from Tirerack for 
$53.

I've never seen real RR data for the RE92, but some people on this list 
think they are fairly low RR.


Phil

>From: Mark Dutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: [EVDL] Odd size tire source needed
>Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:00:45 -0700
>
>After inspecting the tires on My think I have decided to replace them
>as the tread is new but they are rotting on the sides due to age,
>they were continental 155 70 13's but I can only find them in the UK,
>does anyone know of a domestic source for this size?  I think they
>were used on older mini cars. Would a 165 70 13 be a bad option?
>
>mark
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:23:08 +1000
From: James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Test Drive Motor Stink
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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At 11:05 PM 1/09/07 -0700, Joseph H. Strubhar wrote:
>Well, Dennis, the motor was an ADC 6.7" , if I recall correctly. It was
>originally run at 72 volts, and we revamped the conversion to 120 volts.
>Unfortunately, the Cursit 1231 loved the extra voltage and gave it freely to
>the motor, which couldn't handle it. Believe me, the motor was toast when we
>took it out - as in BLACK windings, not golden brown comms!

G'day Joe, All

That sounds like too many amps for too long, and/or bad brush timing. Too 
may volts will not touch the windings, but will flash-over around the brush 
gear (and from what I've heard you are very lucky to have a Cursit survive 
a flashover).

What was the commutator like? Black, but otherwise in good shape is too 
much heat or too much water. Solder thrown off from the comm/armature 
winding joins (thrown all around the inside of the end bell) is another too 
many amps thing.

Grey comm with everything rounded off is a flashover (see Jim Husted's site 
for some carnage photos).

IIRC bad brush timing is rounded off one side of the comm bars (arcing on 
the trailing edge) and poor efficiency (excess heat).

Too many amps is a slow cooking death, too many volts is an "event".

Hope this helps

Regards

[Technik] James



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:03:23 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Test Drive Motor Stink
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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In a message dated 9/1/2007 11:05:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
> Test Drive Motor Stink 
> Date:9/1/2007 11:05:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> To:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Received from Internet: 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, Dennis, the motor was an ADC 6.7" , if I recall correctly. It was 
> originally run at 72 volts, and we revamped the conversion to 120 volts. 
> Unfortunately, the Cursit 1231 loved the extra voltage and gave it freely to 
> 
> the motor, which couldn't handle it. Believe me, the motor was toast when we 
> 
> took it out - as in BLACK windings, not golden brown comms!
> 
> 
If is now a 120 volt conversion I could see the applied voltage NOT 120 but 
may well be as low as 60 depending on the pack type,lead acid or it could be 
pretty if it were the powerful l23s maybe as hi as 110.Still at these voltages 
in a short trip there should not be motor damage.I would think most dc motors 
should handle twice the voltage for a short time.Was the timing correct for its 
rotation? Is it the field or armature windings that are black?                
         D.Berube   


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:35:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout EVer)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Very nice!  Here is a link to a video from a different
viewpoint:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7no9ZwKHzU

You can see Derek by the water box.

I don't know what YouTube does with the information,
but when you upload a video, you can use a GoogleEarth
type feature to pinpoint the location where the video
was taken.  You can see a satellite view of the
location you are selecting.  It's amazing, I was able
to select that the bike was in the right lane, and
even determine the difference between the water box
and the starting line, by the two tire tracks!

- Steve

--- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I uploaded a video of the best burnout.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPgg3-NMWAQ
> I think you will like this one. Zilla set at
> 900amps, New tire.
> 
> Thanks,
> Derek Barger
> High Tech Systems LLC
> KillaCycle Team Member
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:46:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout EVer)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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While patting your selves on the back for such a great
burnout, I was wondering isn't sort of a bad thing?
After all the intention is to warm up the tire to get
a great stick to get great times. With so much smoking
the officials have to wait to be able to see the and
in the time the smoke clears your tire might start to
cool off. Just a question and observation from a
non-racing peanut gallery.
And another question. Hows the brush shifting working
out? Sounds like it is keeping the comm and the motors
from burning up on you at least from reading all your
post. 

--- Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Very nice!  Here is a link to a video from a
> different
> viewpoint:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7no9ZwKHzU
> 
> You can see Derek by the water box.
> 
> I don't know what YouTube does with the information,
> but when you upload a video, you can use a
> GoogleEarth
> type feature to pinpoint the location where the
> video
> was taken.  You can see a satellite view of the
> location you are selecting.  It's amazing, I was
> able
> to select that the bike was in the right lane, and
> even determine the difference between the water box
> and the starting line, by the two tire tracks!
> 
> - Steve
> 
> --- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I uploaded a video of the best burnout.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPgg3-NMWAQ
> > I think you will like this one. Zilla set at
> > 900amps, New tire.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Derek Barger
> > High Tech Systems LLC
> > KillaCycle Team Member
> > 
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout EVer)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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what kind of times were you running sat.  any new
records?
--- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I uploaded a video of the best burnout.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPgg3-NMWAQ
> I think you will like this one. Zilla set at
> 900amps, New tire.
> 
> Thanks,
> Derek Barger
> High Tech Systems LLC
> KillaCycle Team Member
> 
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:30:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Possible source for controllers...or not?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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someone in Florida needs to go visit him to see if he
is real or hype
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Found this site:
> http://rotarypistonengine.com/8.html
> 
> A 144V/1000A controller lists for $1069.95, but
> other than CGI, no  
> pictures of one.
> 
> He also states:
> "12v to 5000v up to 5000 amps voltage controller
> special order:
> All models are tested to run at the power rating
> only, do not go above  
> the rating this will destroy the controllers!
> WARNING!! higher power controller are very deadly
> and could kill!
> We will help you build your own power systems or new
> engine design."
> 
> Anyone have an opinion on this?
> 
> 
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:43:00 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Magazine dedicated to EVs?
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I wonder if Mailman has similar type of feature as the IRC chat channel
for postgres
There they have a user bot called rtfm_please and if anyone types
??topic it dumps the url of the section of the manual pertaining to
that. In our case we want the material itself to be dumped into the reply.

If we had a page that had a collection of regular info,perhaps we could
do something similar?

Perhaps some special tag to automagically put something in

<rtfm_please=Zilla>
    The Zilla motor controller is made by cafe electric http://
blahblahblah
</rtfm_please>

or more importantly

<rtfm_please=Retactor>
    Lee Harts Ascii art drawing
</rtfm_please>

Then anyone can respond to a question with something like:

You want the retactor circuit
??retactor

and it expands out into the message.



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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:06:59 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] A123 Battery Feasibility
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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It is very common however and I think easier to deal with it in relation
to capacity. Manufactures provide this info.

ie

A123 are 2.3Ah
 so when they say good for 15seconds of 70C that is 15 seconds of 150Amps,
Don't You use 8 in parallel and 100 in series to give you 2000 amp pack
at 340V?

This is 680kw power and 6.256 kwh.  (reguardless of the weight)

we can then create the aggregate 680kwh/56kg = 12kw/kg
and 111wh/kg.

I can see where you can say that Specific Power is not directly related
to Specific Energy for a cell.
But I think he was saying that within a pack made of like cells that the
power is related to the capacity. and I agree with that.



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Test Drive Motor Stink
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hey Jude

Well usually a pic or audio helps me determin what
might be going on for people.  Maybe someone here can
develope a smell-o-meter 8^)

It would help to know what voltage and current it was
seeing and a pic of the brushes and comm would show if
anything bad is happening.

I had a look at the pics and see it's advanced for
CCWDE so let's make sure you need CCW from the drive
end.  I also kevlar banded that comm so it could be
the resin curing (although I baked it at 365 degrees
to set and cure it)(and very little resin actually
remains as it's squeegied off as it's applied).

Anyway keep an eye on it and shoot me a call or pics
and we'll make it right if something's a miss.  Other
than the kevlar everythings pretty basic on this motor
so I'm hoping it was just the kevlar or it's resin
curing up.  

In general how did it run and sound?

Anyway let's check for proper rotation to brush
advance and just keep me posted.

Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric



      
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:20:10 -0500
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout EVer)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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 Derek wrote:

>Zilla set at 900amps,

At some point in time, will it be set to the full 2,000 amps?

What motor voltage is it running/will it run?



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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:32:41 -0400
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] gear drive
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hi all , My porsche 912 with 2 9's ate the tranny awhile back ( 2k zilla at 
work) ,, I re did stuff and had a (size 60) chain set up with each motor going 
to each wheel .. the noise is unbearable ( so much that the sound keeps one 
from pushing it hard ) ... so I'm thinking of either a IRS rear or getting some 
gears , making it inclosed for oil ect .  The 2 motors sit nicely under the car 
now , close to the axles , so I kind of would like to keep it this way . . I'd 
need a gear bigger than 9' so it could reach the motor without the axle hitting 
it  .. or have some 3ed gear inbetween the two .. how wide a gear am I going to 
need , and what type is best for what I'm doing .  
Steve Clunn 



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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:59:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor Stink
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Maybe its not the motor at all, Jim Husted
> has rebuilt  
> > thousands of motors so I would look elsewhere 1st.
> Dennis Berube

Hey all

Nobody's perfect and bats a 1000 all the time. 
Sometimes shit just happens and I've had a few "can
you believe this" type motor happenings over the years
8^( so I've learned to listen to the guys running
them.  I am hoping that Jude's just doing some Kevlar
curing.
 
> ...and does Jim know your technique for making a
> motor handle six  
> times the voltage *and* amps that it would normally
> see in its  
> previous life, or are there secrets in the biz that
> just don't get  
> shared?

Actually FT is running 12 volt motor/s at 120
volts(although I'm sure he's got some voltage sag) on
FrankenDraggon.  Data tags can be useful but can also
be misleading.  

As for me I have no idea what Voodoo magic Dennis does
(I was only willing to sell my soul for a 1000
years)(maybe he wen't all-in) 8^P

FWIW I wish only the betterment of the sport and to
have a little fun along the way and try to post what I
learn so others learn from both success and failures
8^) 

Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric



       
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout EVer)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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--- Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hows the brush shifting
> working out? Sounds like it is keeping the comm and
> the motors from burning up on you at least from    >
reading all your post. 

Hey Bruce, all

I feel it's been a nice breaking ground on variable
brush advance.  Usually just jiggling a brush can
cause it to chatter a bit until it seats back in so
I've been pleased to see it working so well.

I believe it'll be just a matter of timing thier
shifts just right, having great track conditions,
maybe a little more tailwind and they'll crack into
the 7's 8^P

Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric


      
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:21:47 -0400
From: "Phil Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Brass Bolts?
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Brass is very soft.  You're much better off with stainless steel .  The bolt 
should not be carrying the current anyway.

There is a large area of direct contact between the battery post and the 
buss bar - that is what carries the current, so the slightly higher 
conductivity of a brass bolt would not make any difference.

Phil


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>To: EVDL <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
>Subject: [EVDL] Brass Bolts?
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:16:24 -0500
>
>I looked for copper bolts, but haven't found any yet(ever seen them?).
>
>When using buss bars to connect batteries(example):
>
>http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/graphics/stack.jpg
>
>Would it be better to use brass bolts instead of stainless steel bolts?
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:39:23 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout  EVer)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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The KillaCycle ran well and nothing broke, but we didn't set any new 
ET or MPH records.

As I recall, our best time was 8.20 at about 154 MPH. I'm not 100% 
sure, but the KillaCycle may have posted the best ET of the 200-plus 
cars and bikes at the track that day.

         Our brush timing advance is definitely saving our motors as 
there is no evidence of arcing (comms look like new) but I think we 
might have a touch too much advance. We backed off the total advance 
a bit for this race, and the bike went a touch quicker than it did 
last race (with a slightly worse 60 ft time.) Also, I think my 
gearing choice was a bit too low. We were over-powering the track and 
spinning the tire off the line, even though we backed off the launch 
current and slowed the throttle ramp. (The growling tire sounded 
AWESOME, however.) It takes about 40 minutes to swap the gearing, and 
it is a really nasty and greasy job, but I should have bitten the 
bullet and made the change.

         I think that Scotty took the track record for the best 
burnout on his first visit to the box, but they couldn't find him in 
all the smoke to award the trophy. :-) It was absolutely the most 
spectacular burn-out I have ever witnessed. The burn-out was not 
particularly long-lasting, but made this enormous amount of steam and 
smoke. The cloud completely engulfed both Scotty and the KillaCycle. 
As he rolled out of the burn-out box, the cloud moved with him. The 
wind was every-so-gently moving the cloud with the motion of the 
bike! He emerged from the cloud just as he approached the starting line.

         The entire bike is now covered with 1000's of tiny specks of 
sticky rubber.

         As always, we are now scheming to make changes that will 
make the KillaCycle go even faster. :-)

         Bill Dube'



At 08:47 AM 9/2/2007, you wrote:
>what kind of times were you running sat.  any new
>records?
>--- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I uploaded a video of the best burnout.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPgg3-NMWAQ
> > I think you will like this one. Zilla set at
> > 900amps, New tire.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Derek Barger
> > High Tech Systems LLC
> > KillaCycle Team Member
> >
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:25:24 -0500
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Brass Bolts?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Phil Marino wrote:

> There is a large area of direct contact between the battery post and the
> buss bar

It just doesn't look all that big too me:

http://www.gotbatteries.com/images/SLA/37L105S5.jpg



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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:32:06 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout  EVer)
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Fun write-up in the Denver Post (with a picture at just the beginning 
of the monster burn-out).
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6781542

Bill Dube'



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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat,        Sept 1st (was:OMG
        KillaCycle AP article picked up by FOX news)
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--- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> Everything went pretty good today. NBC Today Show
> really liked the
> KilaCycle. Look for this Sept 8th on Weekend TODAY.
> Although we didn't
> set any new records, we might have set a record for
> the best burnout.
> Couldn't even see the bike all the way up to the
> starting line.  We
> where in the 8.20's 150+mph on most of the runs. The
> motors are still
> working great didn't even discolor them. Something
> must be wrong. They
> are holding up too good :) Starting to get ready for
> the next race should be interesting. 

Hey Derek

Thanks for the report.  As we saw at PIR you can do
EVerything right and still not bust that record 8^o
Still don't know how you do your best 60', best 1/8th,
and best top speed but do it all slower, LMAO!

Anyway I feel you guys are running great consistant
times and putting on some damn fine racing!

> We might push the motors even harder next time.

I know it's got to be frustrating to be soooo close to
those 7's but maybe you guys can do it in steps (for
data collection of course 8^) and keep Bill from
throwing down the full furry of those A123 batteries
at them 8^o

Congrats again on some very respectful runs and here's
wishing you all the best EVen if you are all a bunch
of battery brutes 8^P LMAO!!!

Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric



       
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:37:13 -0500
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout EVer)
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Bill Dube  wrote:


> takes about 40 minutes to swap the gearing, and
> it is a really nasty and greasy job,

Have you considered using any sort of "chain wax" instead?  What are
you currently using?  Also, which chain do you use?

"Sprays on wet. Dries to a wax film"

http://www.cyclegear.com/spgm.cfm?L1=52&L2=&L3=&L4=&item=VAN_57-8130



> The entire bike is now covered with 1000's of tiny specks of
> sticky rubber.

How about some "Burnout Guard"?

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=GED%2D321&N=700+400186+4294865036+115&autoview=sku




>         As always, we are now scheming to make changes that will
> make the KillaCycle go even faster.


Anything you can share so I can get on the same page as to what's on the board?



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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:53:59 -0400
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat,        Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout  EVer)
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Dube" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best Burnout 
EVer)


> Fun write-up in the Denver Post (with a picture at just the beginning
> of the monster burn-out).
> http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6781542
>
> Bill Dube'
>   Hi Bill an' Team;

    Wow! I have been wallowing in the "You Tube" Killocycle runs awile. 
AWESOME! And you are only 2 seconds from the Gas Bike record. I see the EV 
Record for the fastest Bike on the Planet, in reach, now!Good Denver Post 
writeup, too. Make ya feel that the American Sheeple are coming around. 
"Isn't your father's golf cart" any more, the Kid DID say it sounds like a 
golf cart? Has he been watching Rod's golf cart from Hell<g>?But he liked 
it, there IS hope??

   Seeya

   Bob
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:55:19 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] gear drive
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hello Steve,

I use to have Dodge Power Transmissions No. 60 chain coupler that connected 
to the pilot shaft of the main motor to a GMC accessory drive unit.  They 
cannot take more then 2 degrees angular misalignment, more than .015 inch 
parallel misalignment and not more than .300 inch shaft float.

The maximum rpm for these chain couplers without cover (cast aluminum grease 
cover) is 875 rpm.  With covers you can go up to 5000 rpm.

Normally a rear axle does not go this fast.  If you have a motor going at 
8000 rpm and you have 4:1 differential, than your axle speed will be about 
2000 rpm.

If you misalignment are off you will get noise and lots of wear with out 
covers.

If you motors are inline with the wheels axle, then chain couplers may not 
work if you have to much jog in the rear suspension.  Has to be like a 
straight solid rear axle unit.

One thing you could do, is shorten up the independent axles which have 
joints for this amount jog.  Adapt a spline yoke that will go over a 
spline/key adapter to go onto the motor.  To keep these splines lubricated, 
install grease covers over this couplers.

The spline yoke has to float at this connection, not bolted or set screw to 
the motor adapter unit.

Dodge Power Transmission has all the items that may work.  They also have 90 
degree gear boxes with single or double outputs, you can get in any gear 
ratio you want.

Roland


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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:32 AM
Subject: [EVDL] gear drive


> Hi all , My porsche 912 with 2 9's ate the tranny awhile back ( 2k zilla 
> at work) ,, I re did stuff and had a (size 60) chain set up with each 
> motor going to each wheel .. the noise is unbearable ( so much that the 
> sound keeps one from pushing it hard ) ... so I'm thinking of either a IRS 
> rear or getting some gears , making it inclosed for oil ect .  The 2 
> motors sit nicely under the car now , close to the axles , so I kind of 
> would like to keep it this way . . I'd need a gear bigger than 9' so it 
> could reach the motor without the axle hitting it  .. or have some 3ed 
> gear inbetween the two .. how wide a gear am I going to need , and what 
> type is best for what I'm doing .
> Steve Clunn
>
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:04:50 -0400
From: "Timothy Balcer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Possible source for controllers...or not?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Well, he seems to be working out of his garage, but that doesn't
necessarily mean bad things :)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=2306+Rustic+Place,Jensen+Beach,+Fl.+34957&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=43.983628,66.005859&ie=UTF8&ll=27.228329,-80.221973&spn=0.006058,0.008057&t=k&z=17&om=1


On 9/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Found this site: http://rotarypistonengine.com/8.html
>
> A 144V/1000A controller lists for $1069.95, but other than CGI, no
> pictures of one.
>
> He also states:
> "12v to 5000v up to 5000 amps voltage controller special order:
> All models are tested to run at the power rating only, do not go above
> the rating this will destroy the controllers!
> WARNING!! higher power controller are very deadly and could kill!
> We will help you build your own power systems or new engine design."
>
> Anyone have an opinion on this?
>
>
>
>
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:21:18 -0400
From: "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Magazine dedicated to EVs?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On 2 Sep 2007 at 8:43, Jeff Shanab wrote:

> I wonder if Mailman has ... rtfm_please and if anyone types
> ??topic it dumps the url of the section of the manual pertaining to that. 

I don't know of any such trick in Mailman.  However, a web FAQ would allow 
you to just insert the URL - or simply direct the poster to the FAQ's search 
engine.

I do think we need some kind of static FAQ.  There are certain questions 
that come up over and over again, and it would be nice if we didn't have to 
type in the same answers we typed in last month.  

David Roden
EVDL Administrator
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Message: 26
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:23:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David D. Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Brass Bolts?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Current flows on the outside of the conductor so if
you look at those posts you see that they are
obviously larger than the bolt.


--- Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Phil Marino wrote:
> 
> > There is a large area of direct contact between
> the battery post and the
> > buss bar
> 
> It just doesn't look all that big too me:
> 
> http://www.gotbatteries.com/images/SLA/37L105S5.jpg
> 
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Message: 27
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor wish list
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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--- Adrian DeLeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One more item for the list: water cooling.
> 
> 
> Regarding interpoles - they may not improve
> efficiency much, but they'd  
> eliminate the "Should I advance the brushes? How
> much?" dilemma. White  
> Zombie's recent encounter with REVERSE is a good
> example of how interpoles  
> would be useful in a single reduction EV.


Hey all

Been meaning to chime in on this thread a bit.

As for Zombies reverse issue it can be solved easy
enough with a variable setup like Bills, hit a switch
for nuetral and reverse, turn it off for full advance
again.  It won't happen this time around though as
it'll be bandaided up as John's got races pending.

John has a 350lbs 13" interpoled monster just waiting
to be tested 8^)  There's another one destined for
FT's narrowed down Bug so we'll one day see how they
fair race wise.  As for WZ I'm doubting that it would
make it faster than the motors already there (but I
have a third core I picked up just in case 8^)

As for motors in general, shafts are probably the
biggest issue Ev'ers face.  With all motors being
equal as an example, they each face a different job so
to speak.  What I've done for Gone Postal isn't needed
for WZ kind of thing.  Unfortunanty it isn't until a
failure occurs that I (or anybody) can make an
educated guess on how to make it better.

In general motors fail for two reasons with the first
being it's being over-burdoned.  The second being
quality defects of which I just ran into two more here
recently.  The first was on an ADC9 and the second on
a Prestolite (post and pics coming).

As a motor guy, and not an EV'er (yeah, I know) I feel
I have little to input here but have been listening,
which is just as important 8^)

Anyway I hope you all remember there is a fine line
between what you all want vs what you all are willing
to pay for 8^P

Ohh BTW, My motor wish is... Oh I can't say it or it
won't come true 8^P

Had fun
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric





       
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Message: 28
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:37:15 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout EVer)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hi Bruce,

> While patting your selves on the back for such a great
> burnout, I was wondering isn't sort of a bad thing?
> After all the intention is to warm up the tire to get
> a great stick to get great times.

Burnouts are sometimes misunderstood. There are actually more reasons
to do this than to get the tire warm. Racing tires have a softer
compound than street tires. As you are riding through the pits you
pickup small rocks and lots of dirt on the tire. You want to remove
this before you run or traction will be lost and this not good. You
also want to heat up the tire to make it stickier than normal. With a
new tire like the one in the video the first run requires a longer
burnout. This is because as it comes out of the mold it is smooth and
not as sticky and also has tiny rubber barbs sticking out of the tire.
So you have to scuff away a layer to get to the softer compound. This
requires a longer burnout.

> With so much smoking
> the officials have to wait to be able to see the and
> in the time the smoke clears your tire might start to
> cool off. Just a question and observation from a
> non-racing peanut gallery.

The tire does start to cool off slowly as it is rolling up to the
tree. But the A123 cells like the delay before launching. The
chemistry has been excited by the burnout then the delay lets the
chemistry recombine.

> And another question. Hows the brush shifting working
> out? Sounds like it is keeping the comm and the motors
> from burning up on you at least from reading all your
> post.

The brush timing is working great. It lets us run harder and still no
problems with the motors. In fact there is no noticable discoloration
of the copper going to the brushes. Still bright and shinny inside.

Thanks,
Derek Barger
High Tech Systems LLC
KillaCycle Team Member



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Message: 29
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:51:44 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle at Bandimere Sat, Sept 1st (Best
        Burnout EVer)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 9/2/07, Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Derek wrote:
>
> >Zilla set at 900amps,
>
> At some point in time, will it be set to the full 2,000 amps?
>
> What motor voltage is it running/will it run?
>
Hi Ryan,
We always set the battery amps at 900 for the first run. Although we
have heated the pack up it is good to make sure everything is working
good before we increase the Amps. The motors amps are set to full amps
and max of about 200 volts to the motors. The battery pack will come
back warmer after the first run then we increase battery amps when we
are at the right temperature. I do believe that is the fastest run we
have ever done at 900amps 8.63 150mph. I remember not too long ago we
had trouble getting into the 8's. Now almost every run is deep in the
8's and we are going over 150mph on most of the runs. We are hovering
around 8.2's without hurting the motors. The 8.16 run in Phoenix took
out a motor.


Thanks,
Derek Barger
High Tech Systems LLC
KillaCycle Team Member



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Message: 30
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:55:14 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor Stink
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

In a message dated 9/2/2007 10:01:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
> Motor Stink 
> Date:9/2/2007 10:01:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> To:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Received from Internet: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Maybe its not the motor at all, Jim Husted
> >has rebuilt  
> >>thousands of motors so I would look elsewhere 1st.
> >Dennis Berube
> 
> Hey all
> 
> Nobody's perfect and bats a 1000 all the time. 
> Sometimes shit just happens and I've had a few "can
> you believe this" type motor happenings over the years
> 8^( so I've learned to listen to the guys running
> them.  I am hoping that Jude's just doing some Kevlar
> curing.
> 
> >...and does Jim know your technique for making a
> >motor handle six  
> >times the voltage *and* amps that it would normally
> >see in its  
> >previous life, or are there secrets in the biz that
> >just don't get  
> >shared?
> 
> Actually FT is running 12 volt motor/s at 120
> volts(although I'm sure he's got some voltage sag) on
> FrankenDraggon.  Data tags can be useful but can also
> be misleading.  
> 
> As for me I have no idea what Voodoo magic Dennis does
> (I was only willing to sell my soul for a 1000
> years)(maybe he wen't all-in) 8^P
> 
> FWIW I wish only the betterment of the sport and to
> have a little fun along the way and try to post what I
> learn so others learn from both success and failures
> 8^) 
> 
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
> 
I feel I owe my potential future sponsors and myself and the people I have 
and will build motors for just a few last tricks I have not written and told 
folks about. Really series motors have been out for a long time, and a lot has 
been written on them. It is not Voodo!Bill and others did not believe moveable 
brush timing would help, I think he now believes.  My aim this year is to take 
out John Waylands record (he jabbed me to many times last year about HEADS UP) 
with a much heavier truck and almost half the battery power and only 1 motor. 
By the end of next year I should have lithums as well and will bring out the 
equipment to take on Bills Killacycle.At that time I may open up a little 
more.                                       Dennis Berube   


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