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Today's Topics:
1. New Optima pack (John G. Lussmyer)
2. Re: New Optima pack (Roger Stockton)
3. Re: Two Parallel Brusa Chargers? (Roger Stockton)
4. Re: Battery Fuel Gauge (damon henry)
5. KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Bill Dube)
6. Re: Subaru conversion? (Zeke Yewdall)
7. Re: Optima hiss/crackle (patrick DonEgan)
8. Re: Help converting 1990 Volvo 740 (patrick DonEgan)
9. Re: using solar panel (Zeke Yewdall)
10. Re: Optima hiss/crackle (Zeke Yewdall)
11. Re: Optima hiss/crackle (Roger Stockton)
12. Re: Optima hiss/crackle (John G. Lussmyer)
13. Re: Battery Fuel Gauge (Ryan Stotts)
14. Re: Battery Fuel Gauge (keith vansickle)
15. Re: Battery Fuel Gauge (keith vansickle)
16. New Optima pack (John G. Lussmyer)
17. brake booster vacuum levels (John)
18. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle (David D. Nelson)
19. Re: Test Drive Motor Stink (Jude Anthony)
20. Re: using solar panel (Jude Anthony)
21. Re: brake booster vacuum levels (Roland Wiench)
22. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle (mario)
23. Re: Optima hiss/crackle (patrick DonEgan)
24. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Bill Dube)
25. Re: Optima hiss/crackle (Jem)
26. Re: Optima hiss/crackle (Jem)
27. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle (Derek Barger)
28. Re: FW: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle (Derek Barger)
29. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle (Roderick Wilde)
30. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle (Ian Hooper)
31. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle (Mike Willmon)
32. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
33. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle (Roderick Wilde)
34. Re: using solar panel (Evan Tuer)
35. how good is the warp 9 motor? (mrdoo6820)
36. Re: how good is the warp 9 motor? (Mike Willmon)
37. Re: Subaru conversion? (m gol)
38. DCP Controller Tach Sensor Assembly Sources? (Dave Oliveria)
39. Re: brake booster vacuum levels (John)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:30:04 -0700
From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] New Optima pack
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Well, since I had a battery venting for no apparent reason (not over
voltage, and not reversed) I pulled half the pack out of my Sparrow.
(Royal Pain in the Posterior)
What I'm doing now is putting each one on my Bench Power Supply, set to
14.50v. I let them charge until they are drawing only 1.4A.
Of the 4 I've done so far, 2 started a little hiss venting when they
were down to about 1.5A charging, 1 didn't vent at all, and 1 started
venting at 3A! These are all with the voltage being held at a steady
14.50v.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:48:28 -0700
From: "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Optima pack
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John G. Lussmyer wrote:
> Of the 4 I've done so far, 2 started a little hiss venting when they
> were down to about 1.5A charging, 1 didn't vent at all, and 1 started
> venting at 3A! These are all with the voltage being held at a steady
> 14.50v.
A few years back, Paul Compton posted about having "blueprinted" the
vents on his Optimas. As I recall, he found that they were venting too
easily due to some platsic flash on the vent pipes. If you pry out the
flame arrestor disc over the vent, you can then remove the rubber nipple
and inspect the vent tube to see if any plastic flash needs to be
removed. Reassemble after cleaning any flash with a sharp knife.
I have found that Optimas may vent a bit if they have been sitting for
some time. My hypothesis is that differing self-discharge rates between
the cells leads to relatively significant imbalance between the cells if
the battery if left sitting long enough. I've found that Optimas can
easily vent at <14V when in this condition.
My experience has been that placing an ordinary 100W 120V lightbulb in
series with each battery and connecting them to a ~15V power supply
allows them to gently come up to full charge with a minimum of venting.
The current to each battery is individually limited to about 100mA by
the bulb in series with each. Leave the batteries charging like this
for a few days to a week. After this you should be able to put the
batteries in service without any venting.
Good luck,
Roger.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:04:57 -0700
From: "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Two Parallel Brusa Chargers?
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Victor Tikhonov wrote:
> Yes, you can connect two (or more) BRUSA NLG5 chargers in parallel
> as long as you set up different voltages in U section of IUx charging
> profile so the chargers don't fight during regulation stage but merely
> just add charging power (current) during bulk charge phase.
> In general any section of charging profile with fixed voltage should
> have different voltage settings for all the chargers in parallel.
Obviously Victor is the authority on the Brusa, however, this doesn't
sound quite correct to me. There should be no problem with connecting a
pair of chargers in parallel without tweaking the voltage setpoints.
Due to manufacturing tolerances, one charger will regulate to a lightly
lower voltage than the other in constant voltage mode, and so the
charger holding the highest voltage will deliver most of the current to
the battery while the other(s) quickly complete this constant voltage
step due to their current falling to the exit threshold criteria.
Certainly, this is how my chargers behave.
The concern with paralleling chargers like this is if their algorithms
implement an IUI-type profile, then the batteries will get hit with 2x
the desired finish current level since neither charger knows about the
other. In practice, if one charger finishes the 'U' step early due to
its output voltage being a bit lower than the other charger(s), then it
will start it's final 'I' step earlier and the result will be a finish
current that steps down to the desired level as each charger in turn
completes this step.
> You can also connect two chargers in master-slave configuration, but
> it is more complex and expensive (special cables needed) and
> the outcome is identical.
I would suggest that springing for the master-slave cable(s) is the
proper way to parallel these chargers. When connected in this manner
they should properly implement the entire charge profile, including the
final I step of an IUI-type profile if applicable.
The cable(s) may not be cheap, but their cost is surely in the noise
compared to the cost of multiple Brusa chargers! ;^>
Cheers,
Roger.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:30:17 +0000
From: damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Fuel Gauge
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Victor is getting set to start selling his eVision meter. John Wayland is
currently using one in White Zombie. It is a do everything meter. Take an
emeter, throw away all of it's short comings, add in a bunch of new functions
including aux. battery voltage, speedometer, distance to empty estimates and a
slew of others, all in a very nice package and you have the eVision. Of
course, it is still in the $600 price range, $550 for the first ten beta users
(likely already selected) and $775 after that, but it looks to be the Zilla of
EV meter solutions. I'm on the list to get one which will be going in my 1970
Datsun truck.
damon
> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:37:30 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Subject: [EVDL] Battery Fuel Gauge
>
> Looking at a Link 10 for my 1965 Datsun Pickup
> Meter, Prescaler, and DC/DC will run ~ $600.
> Any other options to monitor my 156V pack?
>
> Thanks;
> Dennis
> Elsberry, MO
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:50:33 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Tonight on Equator HDTV (Dish Network,) the premier episode of the
series "Green Wheels" will be the KillaCycle!
They just told me, so I'm passing it on ASAP.
Here is a link to the teaser:
http://voom.tv/equatorhd/greenwheels/
I don't get this channel at home, so I would appreciate if someone
could burn a couple of copies of this for the team.
Thanks in advance,
Bill Dube'
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:12:46 -0600
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Subaru conversion?
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I know of someone doing a subaru conversion. On an older subaru (70's
or 80's I think), but they are pretty much the same design as the
brand new ones anyway. I'll try to find more info on the current
status of it. Yes, the engine does have a bit of a half bell-housing
built into it, which means the flywheel is recessed into the engine a
bit. Other than this bit of an issue with the motor adaptor, I think
they'd make a very good conversion (IMHO they are a much better
quality car than VW or american built stuff). If I finish my pickup
truck conversion, I might start working on a 4wd subaru conversion
next -- since I have several of them sitting around.
Z
On 9/2/07, Nickolas Kwiatkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you looked at this project? http://www.proev.com/ The work history
> page has a detailed diary of the work performed, the only thing, they
> have bolt two motors directly to the differentials rather than using the
> transmission. Which maybe not what you are after.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nik
>
> John A. Evans - N0HJ wrote:
> > Here's a quote from Miek Brown's book, Convert It:
> >
> > "Subarus and rotary Mazdas have a design that recesses the flywheel into
> > the back of the engine. This requires a very thick and expensive
> > adapter plate for the electric motor. For that reason, I don't
> > recommend them."
> >
> > dated 1993. Subaru may have changed their design since then, but I'm
> > not privy to that info.
> >
> > john
> >
> > Jim Coate wrote:
> >
> >> I seem to recall relatively recent talk of folks converting Subarus, yet
> >> I can't find any examples in the EV Album or with Google, etc.
> >>
> >> So... has anyone converted a "modern" Subaru (ie Forester, etc)?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:41:32 -1000
From: "patrick DonEgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima hiss/crackle
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Why are you using Bluetops instead of YellowTops?
On 9/3/07, John G. Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just tried my brand new set of Optima Bluetops in my Sparrow. Put
> about 3 miles on the bird.
> Now, 1 of the Optimas is giving a just-audible hiss/crackle sound. Even
> with the car completely turned off.
> It's voltage seems ok.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:42:59 -1000
From: "patrick DonEgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Help converting 1990 Volvo 740
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Wow!
That is a great car, but heavy!
Too heavy>?
I donno ;(
On 9/4/07, Timothy Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all -
>
> This is my first post. I am hoping that someone could point me to a
> resource for converting my 1990 Volvo 740 to electric. I was told that
> the current (gas burning) engine is shot and needs to be replaced so I
> figured now would be the perfect time to see about switching to
> electric. I only use the car for in-town travel (no long distances) so
> I don't believe I will need a hybrid, but information on hybrid
> conversions would be appreciated as well.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Timothy
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:45:07 -0600
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] using solar panel
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Nope.... Except for the microsine, mentioned already, no one makes
anything much smaller than 2.5kW. Well, some do, but they are more
expensive than the 2kW+ sizes because there is very little demand for
them. The simple fact is that most houses use so much power than you
need at least 2 to 4kW to make a difference, so that's where the
market is.
500 watts would probably fit on the vehical pretty nicely if it's a
pickup truck.
On the guerilla solar.... be aware that most modern electronic meters,
AND the remote read mechanical meters, do not net meter. They just
measure the magnetude of the power, not the direction. So......
unless you can get your utility to put in a net meter (which means
going through all the permitting hoops), you may actually pay MORE to
have solar power.
Z
On 9/3/07, m gol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Trying to deal with the critics that I'm still using fossil fuel for my
> ride.
>
> Are there any inexpensive grid-tie inverters to connect some solar panels
> directly to my grid?
>
> I was thinking just use a couple panels, less than 500watts
>
> thanks
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:25:14 -0600
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima hiss/crackle
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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The D34 optimas come in both a blue and yellow version I think, and
are the same except for terminals. The blue tops have the screw post
and the regular automotive terminal, whereas the yellow top have the
automotive terminal and the GM side terminals. Maybe...
Z
On 9/4/07, patrick DonEgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why are you using Bluetops instead of YellowTops?
>
>
> On 9/3/07, John G. Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I just tried my brand new set of Optima Bluetops in my Sparrow. Put
> > about 3 miles on the bird.
> > Now, 1 of the Optimas is giving a just-audible hiss/crackle sound. Even
> > with the car completely turned off.
> > It's voltage seems ok.
> >
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:33:57 -0700
From: "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima hiss/crackle
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Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> The D34 optimas come in both a blue and yellow version I think, and
> are the same except for terminals. The blue tops have the screw post
> and the regular automotive terminal, whereas the yellow top have the
> automotive terminal and the GM side terminals. Maybe...
The D34/78 yellowtops have the automotive posts and GM side terminals;
the D43 yellowtop has just the automotive posts.
Cheers,
Roger.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:44:21 -0700
From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima hiss/crackle
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Roger Stockton wrote:
> The D34/78 yellowtops have the automotive posts and GM side terminals;
> the D43 yellowtop has just the automotive posts.
>
Yup, and the screw posts make connecting regs easy.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:45:29 -0500
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Fuel Gauge
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Pestka, Dennis J wrote:
> Looking at a Link 10 for my 1965 Datsun Pickup
> Meter, Prescaler, and DC/DC will run ~ $600.
> Any other options to monitor my 156V pack?
Try one of these:
http://www.qsl.net/k5lxp/ev/evgauge/evgauge.html
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:35:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Fuel Gauge
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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try victors gauge at www.metricmind.com
don't have the name of it but Wayland says it's great
--- Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pestka, Dennis J wrote:
> > Looking at a Link 10 for my 1965 Datsun Pickup
> > Meter, Prescaler, and DC/DC will run ~ $600.
> > Any other options to monitor my 156V pack?
>
>
> Try one of these:
>
>
> http://www.qsl.net/k5lxp/ev/evgauge/evgauge.html
>
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:20:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Fuel Gauge
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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It is called EVision
--- keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> try victors gauge at www.metricmind.com
> don't have the name of it but Wayland says it's
> great
> --- Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Pestka, Dennis J wrote:
> > > Looking at a Link 10 for my 1965 Datsun Pickup
> > > Meter, Prescaler, and DC/DC will run ~ $600.
> > > Any other options to monitor my 156V pack?
> >
> >
> > Try one of these:
> >
> >
> > http://www.qsl.net/k5lxp/ev/evgauge/evgauge.html
> >
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:48:16 -0700
From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] New Optima pack
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>,
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Okay, so I finished charging every battery at 14.50volts, down to 1.4A.
Some took longer, some did some venting.
I then took the Sparrow out for a spin around the block. 6.6 miles over
rolling hills at 40-50mph. This used 1.27 KWH.
At about the 4 mile mark, I noticed that the voltage was dropping down
to 140v with only a 120A draw. (up a slight hill.)
As soon as I got home, I checked the voltages on all 13 Optimas.
12.43, 12.45, 12.44, 12.40, 12.45, 10.68, 12.42, 12.44, 12.49, 12.43,
12.43, 11.43, 12.37
Note that batteries #6 and #12 show problems. #12 was venting a
little. The reg on #6 had it's undervoltage light lit. #12 doesn't
currently have a reg attached.
Looks like I have 2 bad batteries. sigh.
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:17:22 -0400
From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
To: Electric List Vehicle Discussion <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I was looking at my service manual to check for the proper order to
bleed my breaks and I noticed the manual specifies 27.56 inHg or more
with the engine running at 1,000 rpm.
My Thomas vacuum pump has a max vacuum of 22.9 inHg.
Is this a problem?
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David D. Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
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--- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi David,
> I don't quite understand this statement?
> >
> > I agree with you except that
> > http://www.currenteliminator.net/home/ shows an
> 8.8
> > time. Still below the Killacycle, however.
The statement was made that the CurrentEliminator
hadn't run under 12s or something like that. It had an
8.80x run which is what I was pointing out. The last
sentence was an acknowledgment that the Killacycle is
still faster than the CurrentEliminator so the claim
of it being the fastest EV is still false.
I wasn't trying to point fingers at anyone but if
someone claims that someone else has their facts wrong
it is a good idea to not introduce incorrect data in
the new claim. That is all.
David D. Nelson
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:06:06 -0400
From: Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Test Drive Motor Stink
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hello again, everybody. I think I got this half-figured out.
Jim Husted wrote:
> Hey Jude
>
Don't make it bad...
Thanks for all the questions. It's an ADC 9", and I'm running it at
144V with a Curtis 1231C. I can't take the endcap off without
disassembling the car; it's just too close to the side of the engine
compartment. I put it up on wheel stands, and used the brakes to
simulate load. It bucked and clicked. It got hot: mostly around the
top two brushes, but the case got warm, too. (We noticed that the
*studs* on those two brushes were loose. We retightened them
wrench-tight, but we were afraid to give it everything we had, in case
we broke something internal.)
Turned out -- of all things -- the accessory battery was bad. I think
the Todd PC-30 DC/DC converter was drawing more and more current as the
pack voltage dropped under load, until finally it just cut out. That
released the contactors, which elminated the motor load, which allowed
the batteries to jump back up to voltage, which reconnected the
contactors... lather, rinse, repeat.
The "motor stink" that smelled like burned insulation was probably
coming from the Todd, which is as close as I can get my head to the
motor. In any case, a new accessory battery fixed both the stink and
the bucking.
My next shot will be the crackling noise I hear when I rev. Since it's
a 9", I'm planning on trying to stay around 4000 RPM. I'm going to
check the actual RPM soon -- I've got a tach sender, but I can't figure
out where to connect it. And I still need a rev limiter.
The noise started around 30MPH in 3rd gear. With a 185/55R15 tire,
that's 876 revolutions per mile, or 26,280 revolutions per hour, or 438
RPM (duh; * 30 / 60 = 1/2). According to the manual, the 3rd gear ratio
is 1.275, and the reduction ratio is 4.428. That makes a total ratio of
5.6457. So the motor should have been turning about 2472.8166 RPM, far
below the limit, and significantly below my target. Wanna check my math?
> Well usually a pic or audio helps me determin what
> might be going on for people. Maybe someone here can
> develop a smell-o-meter 8^)
>
A pic wouldn't show much but the tops of the brush holders. I'm
considering whether I can strap a video camera under the hood, pointed
at the brush window, and tape them when the crackling noise occurs. If
it's arcing, it should be pretty well visible.
> I had a look at the pics and see it's advanced for
> CCWDE so let's make sure you need CCW from the drive
> end.
>
As it's a Honda, the shaft coming out of the tranny runs CCW as you look
at it. We spent a long time looking at it before we adjusted the brushes.
Thanks for all the help. On to the next problem!
Jude
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:20:28 -0400
From: Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] using solar panel
To: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion
List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'd contact CitizenRE. They'll build an entire solar system for your
needs, then sell you the electricity at installation-time prices over
the length of the contract.
Judebert (not associated with CitizenRE, just considering them myself)
> m gol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Trying to deal with the critics that I'm still using fossil
>>> fuel for my ride.
>>>
>>> Are there any inexpensive grid-tie inverters to
>>> connect some solar panels directly to my grid?
>>>
>>> I was thinking just use a couple panels, less than 500 watts.
>>>
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:00:31 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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For bleeding brakes, a separated tool is use to do maintenance on brake
lines. You can get or see one at a auto parts store. The brake booster
should start working any vacuum of 12 in.hg. or more. Best if the vacuum is
held at or above 15 in.hg.
If the 27.56 in.hg. refers to the brake booster, than it may be a print
error, it may be 17.56 in.hg. for the brake booster.
Roland
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Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
> I was looking at my service manual to check for the proper order to
> bleed my breaks and I noticed the manual specifies 27.56 inHg or more
> with the engine running at 1,000 rpm.
>
> My Thomas vacuum pump has a max vacuum of 22.9 inHg.
>
> Is this a problem?
>
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:20:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: mario <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:33 -0700
> From: "Roderick Wilde" <roderick@> evparts.com>
> Subject: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> "I can not tolerate BS".
"I believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds in
> 2007. ----- If I am wrong I will retract this statement."
>
> Roderick Wilde
Well Roderick I dont tolerate BS either SO I will call you on this one!
Check out my write up earier this year at the bottom of my site:
http://www.dm3electrics.com/
- January 14, 2007 to be specific.
This is when I drove the CE-V myself UNDER 12 seconds and the ticket has been
posted ever since.
So this makes you "wrong" and I expect a retraction if you keep your word.
WE all know Dennis' accomplishments but slandering him for not updating a site
seems to me to be
pretty low especially when it was written is was true.
mario
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:26:16 -1000
From: "patrick DonEgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima hiss/crackle
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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So, are you saying there is NO difference in chemistry betwixt them
now?
On 9/4/07, John G. Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Roger Stockton wrote:
> > The D34/78 yellowtops have the automotive posts and GM side terminals;
> > the D43 yellowtop has just the automotive posts.
> >
>
> Yup, and the screw posts make connecting regs easy.
>
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:02:13 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Should have mentioned. Click on the "Watch Video" tab in about the
middle of the page.
http://voom.tv/equatorhd/greenwheels/
Bill Dube
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:33:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima hiss/crackle
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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How do you unsubscribe from this list ? I havent been
able to do it right
--- patrick DonEgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, are you saying there is NO difference in
> chemistry betwixt them
> now?
>
>
> On 9/4/07, John G. Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Roger Stockton wrote:
> > > The D34/78 yellowtops have the automotive posts
> and GM side terminals;
> > > the D43 yellowtop has just the automotive posts.
> > >
> >
> > Yup, and the screw posts make connecting regs
> easy.
> >
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:33:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima hiss/crackle
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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How do you unsubscribe from this list ? I havent been
able to do it right
--- patrick DonEgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, are you saying there is NO difference in
> chemistry betwixt them
> now?
>
>
> On 9/4/07, John G. Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Roger Stockton wrote:
> > > The D34/78 yellowtops have the automotive posts
> and GM side terminals;
> > > the D43 yellowtop has just the automotive posts.
> > >
> >
> > Yup, and the screw posts make connecting regs
> easy.
> >
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:43:54 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Thanks for clearing that up.
Derek Barger
High Tech Systems LLC
KillaCycle Team Member
On 9/4/07, David D. Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> > I don't quite understand this statement?
> > >
> > > I agree with you except that
> > > http://www.currenteliminator.net/home/ shows an
> > 8.8
> > > time. Still below the Killacycle, however.
>
> The statement was made that the CurrentEliminator
> hadn't run under 12s or something like that. It had an
> 8.80x run which is what I was pointing out. The last
> sentence was an acknowledgment that the Killacycle is
> still faster than the CurrentEliminator so the claim
> of it being the fastest EV is still false.
>
> I wasn't trying to point fingers at anyone but if
> someone claims that someone else has their facts wrong
> it is a good idea to not introduce incorrect data in
> the new claim. That is all.
>
>
>
> David D. Nelson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:51:44 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hi Mike,
To be fair,
> the vehicles are in different classes.
Every record is a different class on the Nedra records. Whether it is
a voltage class or a chassis class.
But the "Fastest 1/4 mile electric" is currently Killacycle.
(unless you count rail gun
> launched volkswagens :-)
If you bring the Rail gun to the track and if they would let you fire
it. The volkswagen might hold the record.
>
Thanks,
Derek Barger
High Tech Systems LLC
KillaCycle Team Members LLC
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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:51:29 -0700
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Mario, I will definitely retract my statement and offer you a personal
apology on the 12 second issue. I had actually indicated by my earlier post
that I was not actually sure and wanted someone to correct me if I was
wrong. You did just that. It is what and I had recalled and I was actually
wrong by over a tenth of a second. When it comes to BS, the 11.898 second ET
that you turned is nowhere near an 8.7 ET posted by the Killacycle in 2006.
In fact an 11.898 ET is not even close to the ET of a certain street legal
Datsun. I'll bet you would really like to know what it feels like to go that
quick in the quarter mile! Saying that Dennis failed to update his site,
which he claims he hasn't been to in over a year, is an utterly ridiculous
statement just from the fact that the year 2007 is clearly posted. You do
realize that this year is 2007, right! Dennis knew that Bill Dube blew away
his time in 2006. Are you going to also deny that Dennis was not aware of
this fact either. It was clearly posted on this forum to all to read and
Dennis monitors this forum daily. I just believe in furthering the sport of
EV drag racing and not supporting those who try to subvert it by diminishing
the achievements of others by posting outrageous and false claims on their
sites. For clarification, I have visited your site and enjoy what you have
written and I do not see any BS there. I used to live in Jerome and once
took our street rod to the top of Mingus Mountain and let it fly in neutral
all the way to Jerome, about seven miles. My passenger felt for sure he was
going to die on the hairpin turns but I reassured him by telling him, "don't
worry, I have never been killed before, not even once!" With the batteries
mounted low below the frame on either side and the wide sticky tires, the
light weight street rod felt like a go cart. Way too much fun and a slight
bit illegal!
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "mario" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:33 -0700
>> From: "Roderick Wilde" <roderick@> evparts.com>
>> Subject: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
>> "I can not tolerate BS".
> "I believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds
> in
>> 2007. ----- If I am wrong I will retract this statement."
>>
>> Roderick Wilde
>
> Well Roderick I dont tolerate BS either SO I will call you on this one!
> Check out my write up earier this year at the bottom of my site:
> http://www.dm3electrics.com/
> - January 14, 2007 to be specific.
> This is when I drove the CE-V myself UNDER 12 seconds and the ticket has
> been posted ever since.
> So this makes you "wrong" and I expect a retraction if you keep your word.
>
> WE all know Dennis' accomplishments but slandering him for not updating a
> site seems to me to be
> pretty low especially when it was written is was true.
>
> mario
>
>
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Message: 30
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:02:21 +0800
From: Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Just to throw another spanner in the works, check out the first line
of this site:
http://www.dwra.net/
On 04/09/2007, at 12:53 PM, Roderick Wilde wrote:
> Have you ever wondered who has the quickest electric vehicle in
> 2007? Well
> just go here to find out for yourself.: http://
> www.currenteliminator.net/
> For those who already know me you understand that I can not
> tolerate BS. For
> those who don't, then let this be a lesson to you. There is a fine
> line
> between pure BS and out and out lying. You be the judge on this one. I
> believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12
> seconds in
> 2007. This is light years from the Killacycle's 8 second runs. If I
> am wrong
> I will retract this statement.
>
> For further kicks and giggles look up the list of competitors,
> then check
> out the definition of competitors in your dictionary. Dennis is
> afraid of
> Rich Rudman's fifteen second Ford Festiva? Give me a break! I would be
> laughing, but this kind of mis-information and deception not only
> damages
> the sport of electric drag racing but also belittles those who are
> pushing
> the envelope. This type of mis-information and behaviour is extremely
> unsportsman like to other competitors.
>
> Roderick Wilde
>
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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:14:39 -0800
From: Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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But it says "Fastest", we're talking about "Quickest", as in accelerating in
the 1/4 mile.
I wonder how fast Killacycle would go all out with faster gearing though.
Probably too scarry fast for a bike ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Ian Hooper
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:02 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
>
> Just to throw another spanner in the works, check out the first line
> of this site:
>
> http://www.dwra.net/
>
> On 04/09/2007, at 12:53 PM, Roderick Wilde wrote:
>
> > Have you ever wondered who has the quickest electric vehicle in
> > 2007? Well
> > just go here to find out for yourself.: http://
> > www.currenteliminator.net/
> > For those who already know me you understand that I can not
> > tolerate BS. For
> > those who don't, then let this be a lesson to you. There is a fine
> > line
> > between pure BS and out and out lying. You be the judge on this one. I
> > believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12
> > seconds in
> > 2007. This is light years from the Killacycle's 8 second runs. If I
> > am wrong
> > I will retract this statement.
> >
> > For further kicks and giggles look up the list of competitors,
> > then check
> > out the definition of competitors in your dictionary. Dennis is
> > afraid of
> > Rich Rudman's fifteen second Ford Festiva? Give me a break! I would be
> > laughing, but this kind of mis-information and deception not only
> > damages
> > the sport of electric drag racing but also belittles those who are
> > pushing
> > the envelope. This type of mis-information and behaviour is extremely
> > unsportsman like to other competitors.
> >
> > Roderick Wilde
> >
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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:30:25 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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<<< But it says "Fastest", we're talking about "Quickest", as in
accelerating in the 1/4 mile.
I wonder how fast Killacycle would go all out with faster gearing
though. Probably too scarry fast for a bike ;-) >>>
I thought the Buckeye Bullet was the fastest (officially) at over 300mph...
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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:52:37 -0700
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Ian, You are correct, this site is way out of date and does not mention the
year 2007 anywhere. At the bottom of the page it says last modified Nov. 17,
2203. I believe the new EV land speed record for an EV in the US is 314.958
mph set by the Buckeye Bullet at the Bonneville Salt Flats way back in 2004:
http://www.speedace.info/osu_buckeye_bullet.htm
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Just to throw another spanner in the works, check out the first line
> of this site:
>
> http://www.dwra.net/
>
> On 04/09/2007, at 12:53 PM, Roderick Wilde wrote:
>
>> Have you ever wondered who has the quickest electric vehicle in
>> 2007? Well
>> just go here to find out for yourself.: http://
>> www.currenteliminator.net/
>> For those who already know me you understand that I can not
>> tolerate BS. For
>> those who don't, then let this be a lesson to you. There is a fine
>> line
>> between pure BS and out and out lying. You be the judge on this one. I
>> believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12
>> seconds in
>> 2007. This is light years from the Killacycle's 8 second runs. If I
>> am wrong
>> I will retract this statement.
>>
>> For further kicks and giggles look up the list of competitors,
>> then check
>> out the definition of competitors in your dictionary. Dennis is
>> afraid of
>> Rich Rudman's fifteen second Ford Festiva? Give me a break! I would be
>> laughing, but this kind of mis-information and deception not only
>> damages
>> the sport of electric drag racing but also belittles those who are
>> pushing
>> the envelope. This type of mis-information and behaviour is extremely
>> unsportsman like to other competitors.
>>
>> Roderick Wilde
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 34
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:24:36 +0100
From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] using solar panel
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 9/4/07, Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope.... Except for the microsine, mentioned already, no one makes
> anything much smaller than 2.5kW. Well, some do, but they are more
> expensive than the 2kW+ sizes because there is very little demand for
> them. The simple fact is that most houses use so much power than you
> need at least 2 to 4kW to make a difference, so that's where the
> market is.
Fronius have a "Sunrise Micro" range which are available in as small
as 550W. They are quite simple but high quality.
I've also seen a very small and cheap unit, I think it was 100W or so,
intended for use with a single panel - for self-generating
streetlights.
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Message: 35
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 01:20:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: mrdoo6820 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] how good is the warp 9 motor?
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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im looking for the best way and cheapest way to build an EV
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Message: 36
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:46:30 -0800
From: Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] how good is the warp 9 motor?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Its a good motor. I own 3 of them. Drive 1 every day. The other 2 are going
in a dragster.
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> Subject: [EVDL] how good is the warp 9 motor?
>
>
>
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Message: 37
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 02:36:15 -0800
From: "m gol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Subaru conversion?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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If you do a direct drive to the tranny, you can just grind down the shaft of
the transmission.
That's what I am planning to do, but since the subaru's weigh about 2500
pounds...
I will probably do a Subaru Justy first...which doesn't have that problem.
On 9/4/07, Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I know of someone doing a subaru conversion. On an older subaru (70's
> or 80's I think), but they are pretty much the same design as the
> brand new ones anyway. I'll try to find more info on the current
> status of it. Yes, the engine does have a bit of a half bell-housing
> built into it, which means the flywheel is recessed into the engine a
> bit. Other than this bit of an issue with the motor adaptor, I think
> they'd make a very good conversion (IMHO they are a much better
> quality car than VW or american built stuff). If I finish my pickup
> truck conversion, I might start working on a 4wd subaru conversion
> next -- since I have several of them sitting around.
>
> Z
>
> On 9/2/07, Nickolas Kwiatkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Have you looked at this project? http://www.proev.com/ The work history
> > page has a detailed diary of the work performed, the only thing, they
> > have bolt two motors directly to the differentials rather than using the
> > transmission. Which maybe not what you are after.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Nik
> >
> > John A. Evans - N0HJ wrote:
> > > Here's a quote from Miek Brown's book, Convert It:
> > >
> > > "Subarus and rotary Mazdas have a design that recesses the flywheel
> into
> > > the back of the engine. This requires a very thick and expensive
> > > adapter plate for the electric motor. For that reason, I don't
> > > recommend them."
> > >
> > > dated 1993. Subaru may have changed their design since then, but I'm
> > > not privy to that info.
> > >
> > > john
> > >
> > > Jim Coate wrote:
> > >
> > >> I seem to recall relatively recent talk of folks converting Subarus,
> yet
> > >> I can't find any examples in the EV Album or with Google, etc.
> > >>
> > >> So... has anyone converted a "modern" Subaru (ie Forester, etc)?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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Message: 38
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 04:28:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Oliveria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] DCP Controller Tach Sensor Assembly Sources?
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Good morning fellow EV'ers,
I'm looking for a Tach Sensor assembly that goes with the DCP 600amp
controller. Does anyone know where I could get one of these?
I've been a bit of a lurker over the past several months while I've been
converting a 98 Ranger (with LOTS of Bob Rice's technical help and his garage
full of welders, torches, grinders, etc) and I'm almost there. In fact, I hope
to be test driving it this weekend! I've got an ADC 9" motor, DCP controller
and 144v system (variac for now, charger later). It's been great to hear what
everyone is doing on there vehicles (and maybe what not to do, too!). Thanks!
I think I lucked out with the DCP's tach feature in that when I install the
Tach sensor assembly, the DCP is supposed to provide Tach output for a
4-cylinder engine (same as the one I took out of the truck). I'm hoping to
connect this to the instrument cluster tach for that factory-finished look
rather than an add-on Tach gauge.
Appreciate any help on the Tach sensor sources.
Thanks!
Dave Oliveria
Soon to be an EV-Grinner!
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Message: 39
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:55:38 -0400
From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
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Thanks Roland,
I was just using the brake bleeding as a reason why I was looking at
the service manual. I was previously under the assumption that the
Thomas would give the the right vacuum levels.
In the breaks section of the Factory Service Manual,
Under the Vacuum Piping section there is a bit about the vacuum
warning switch:
(0 ohm) vacuum level of 26.7 kPa(200mmHg, 7.87) or less
Infinity ohm vacuum level 33.3kPa (250 mmHg, 9.84 inHg) or more.
Then under Vacuum Pump is says, and I quote:
1. Install vacuum gage.
2. Run engine at 1,000 RPM
3 Check vacuum. Specified vacuum: 93.3 kPa (700 mmHg, 27.56 in Hg) or
more.
In the picture the gauge is connected between the check valve and the
engine.
Assuming its not a misprint:
1)Is have a different vacuum level that what is specified in the
manual a safety issue or does it just make it harder to push the
pedal when I need to stop (I suppose it could be both)?
2) Is there some other vacuum pump available that will get me the
vacuum level specified in the manual?
Thanks.
John
On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:00 AM, Roland Wiench wrote:
> For bleeding brakes, a separated tool is use to do maintenance on
> brake
> lines. You can get or see one at a auto parts store. The brake
> booster
> should start working any vacuum of 12 in.hg. or more. Best if the
> vacuum is
> held at or above 15 in.hg.
>
> If the 27.56 in.hg. refers to the brake booster, than it may be a
> print
> error, it may be 17.56 in.hg. for the brake booster.
>
> Roland
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric List Vehicle Discussion" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:17 PM
> Subject: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
>
>
>> I was looking at my service manual to check for the proper order to
>> bleed my breaks and I noticed the manual specifies 27.56 inHg or more
>> with the engine running at 1,000 rpm.
>>
>> My Thomas vacuum pump has a max vacuum of 22.9 inHg.
>>
>> Is this a problem?
>>
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