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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: The 10000 pound gorrilla... batteries (keith vansickle)
   2. Re: 120k mile EV battery law? (GWMobile)
   3. Re: EV attitudes... my soap box ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   4. Re: Controller cheap? (Lee Hart)
   5. Re: 120k mile EV battery law? (Joseph T. )
   6. Re: Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back (Frank John)
   7. Matt Milliron's MTC motor pics (Jim Husted)
   8. trying to find an adapter plate for b-series Honda/Acura
      motor (Jeremy Green)
   9.  need some help interpretting odd charging behavior (Jeff Shanab)
  10. Re: A123 Battery Feasibility (Morgan LaMoore)
  11. Re: 120k mile EV battery law? (keith vansickle)
  12. Re: A123 Battery Feasibility (Marty Hewes)
  13. Re: Brass Bolts? (Morgan LaMoore)
  14. Re: Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back
      (David D. Nelson)
  15. Re: A123 Battery Feasibility (Lee Hart)
  16. Re: Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back
      (Morgan LaMoore)
  17. Re: Brass Bolts? (Lee Hart)
  18. Re: Controller cheap? (Dan Frederiksen)
  19. Tesla cobalt cells vs. lifepo ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  20. Re: Matt Milliron's MTC motor pics (Jack Riggi)
  21. Re: Matt Milliron's MTC motor pics (Tehben Dean)
  22. Re: EV attitudes... my soap box (Tehben Dean)
  23. Re: Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back (Tom Shay)
  24. Tesla Roadster in Project Gotham Racing!!! (Joseph T. )
  25. Re: Think City Nicad Charger Needed (m gol)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:07:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] The 10000 pound gorrilla... batteries
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The cobra of Michael Kaydie is close.  It is only a
two seater but goes very fast 13 sec in the quarter
with who knows top speed and it is a beautiful car and
has better than a 100 mi range.  It is based on a 1965
cobra kit car by factor 5. if he can do it so can you.


--- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Christopher Robison wrote:
> > Can you point me to some examples of kit-based EVs
> (in the EV album
> > or elsewhere) that have demonstrated decent
> performance, are
> > appointed with trim and safety features like a
> production automobile,
> > seat 4 people and have 100-mile range at highway
> speed, on lead-acid?
> 
> You're right, Christopher; I don't know of any
> either. But that's why 
> we're building the Sunrise as a kit car. Our goal is
> to provide exactly 
> what you asked for; a 4-passenger, lightweight, safe
> efficient 
> automobile built to be an EV from the ground up!
> 
> -- 
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in    --    Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377,
> leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:04:02 -0700
From: GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 120k mile EV battery law?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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What a great way to keep intermediate technology off the market...and 
you can claim you are doing it for the consumer!

Gee I wonder if the gas co's helped write that bill.


On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 6:51 am, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> Now why would they require the hybrid components to last longer than
> any other components of a regular ICE car?
>
> On 9/9/07, m gol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  You are talking about the California law regarding PZEVs to last 15 
>> years,
>>  150,000 miles.
>>
>>  But not all components are covered.
>>
>>  
>> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f12/15-year-150k-mile-warranty-whopeeee-653/
>>
>>  On 9/8/07, Joseph T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > I heard something that it is a law to have batteries in EVs last 
>> 120k
>>  > mile. Is this true?
>>  >
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:13:30 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV attitudes... my soap box
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I think Victor pretty much nailed it, but I don't think it has to be quite so 
gloomy.  

My "day job" is at a TV station where I have learned a lot about marketing.  
I don't work in that department, but I have seen how profoundly effective 
marketing is.  Indeed opinion is the determining factor.  I have seen how 
advertising campaigns are designed to create an opinion.  Many corporations 
will spend 
billions to create mass public opinion that will sell their products.

>From personal experience, I am convinced that EV's are sellable.  The people 
I meet on the street and in parking lots when I am driving our NmG, Tweety, 
are astounded that electric drive can produce that kind of performance.  
Especially when they follow me to a parking lot after I just spanked a hot 
street 
rod, and / or witnessed a full scream burn-out.  They are astonished that EV's 
are not more wide spread when they witness the performance.  Even after I 
explain the weaknesses, such as range they can see that it is being very useful 
as a 
daily driver so that is not really a killer.  They accept the new idea of a 
specific purpose vehicle.  And the kick-ass performance is the primary opinion 
modifier.  It even stops very impressed "grandmas" to ask about it.  At the 
last 'Street Warriorz' event at PIR, the White Zombie may not have beat the ZO6 
Corvette, but it was the White Zombie that wowed the crowd, not the Vette.  
What the crowd saw was what carried the weight and that was the Zombie 
car-lengths ahead of the ZO6.  

EV's are capable of tremendous wow factor, but only a minuscule tiny fraction 
of the public is seeing it.  If $billions were spent on an add campaign, as 
major automakers do, the public would go EV in a heartbeat.

One difficulty, however, is sort of a chicken - egg thing.  Due to 
insufficient market, EV offerings are stiflingly weak.  Since the offerings are 
so weak, 
there is no money available for such an opinion generating add campaign.  
Additionally, such a small market results in very low production volumes 
causing 
the cost to be out of reach.  But, I do believe that if such a campaign could 
be launched, and a market was created, EV's would flourish regardless of 
initial cost.  Example, when HD-TV's first came on the market they cost over 
$20,000.  Since people still bough them and created a production volume, the 
cost 
dropped to less than $2,000.  The Apple i-phone just made news of angering the 
early buyers by drastically reducing the selling price.  But, that is the way 
it is.  Volume determines the price.  The products have to sell before the 
price can come down.

And now for my "soap box"?
 
I like to think that every little bit helps.  If we would like to see the 
general public driving EV's we must be very careful how we build EV 
conversions.  
A poorly done conversion with disorganized wiring, parts mounted on an old 
stick of wood and holds up traffic because it can't accelerate doesn't help at 
all.  In fact it helps solidify the already negative opinion the public has 
about EV's.  Sorry, but, the environment argument won't go anywhere with a 
vehicle like that - they are already turned off.  We must do conversions that 
will 
impress the public.  Or at least get their attention in a positive way.  One 
that will open their mind to a different way of getting around - and having a 
blast doing it!  Yes, it is staggeringly expensive, but it has to be done if we 
want to make a difference.  The general public is not going to build 
conversions, but your conversion can help build a positive opinion about EV's 
and that 
is the first requirement to a successful EV market.  And as Victor indicated, 
being "good" for the environment, or anything else, just won't cut it.
 
Ken





In a message dated 9/8/2007 4:55:46 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michaela Merz wrote:
...
It will take many, many years for the majority of
> people to understand that we can't continue to waste our global resources
> and I doubt that I will be around to see it.
> 
> Michaela

I tend to stay away from such topics, but will respond on this one.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but
unfortunately, this sounds a bit naive hope (I wish it wasn't).
I's a bit like hoping to let people know drinking is bad and expect
everyone live sober lives starting tomorrow. They know it's bad, but
it's well settled habit, convenient and [still] cheap enough.
So most will show the world third finger and keep drinking.

We are not children and should not be afraid to admit something
like this.

Why do you expect different reaction from a hummer driver if you
tell him his choice is ultimately bad for the world? C'mon.

If wasting resources is bad but cheap, people WILL waste resources
if this brings them real or imagined satisfaction.
Plenty of examples. Tell me one example where you told somebody
something is bad and it has changed not because you offered better
alternative instead, but just because you expressed that your
opinion.

Bill Dube expressed very valid point I couldn't agree more -
people buy cars out of emotional reasons, like cloths.
I would add why. Because they are being judged by others
based on what they drive, same way as by what they wear.

Unless being seen in H3 will be judged so that it is undesirable
for it's driver (whatever his criteria is), NO WAY you can pry him
out of that vehicle. He wants to be cool, he [thinks that he] is
being seen cool, so if it is offered and affordable, he'll go for it.

Let's get real.

It will only end when resources end. Or, as David pointed out, when
resources will artificially be made too hard/inconvenient to obtain or 
expensive (or gradually outlawed), but these options are up to 
manipulation by politicians, so not much hope they will do right thing 
(based on past history).

Fortunately, politicians and oil forces cannot change the fact that
fossil resources are simply finite, so they will be forced (against 
their will) to find other solutions. *Then* situation will change
for sure.



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:25:08 -0500
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Controller cheap?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How could one figure out the demand for a more economical, in stock /
> off the shelf controller? What should the specs be? 36-300 Volts
> 1000 Amps max? What would a fair price be?

The only practical way is to look at what's available, what it sells
for, and how many units they seem to be selling.

Of course, there may be a market niche that no one is filling, so you
can only guess at what sales might be if it existed.

"Fair price" is difficult. Customers think $1 is a fair price, while 
manufacturers think $1,000,000 each would be nice.

Given human nature, you could probably produce an absolutely horrible 
controller for a little less than the cheapest one now available, sell a 
bunch of them in a hurry, and then run off with the money before people 
find out they are junk. Wait a while, move, change your name, and do it 
all over again.

Or you could spend a lot more time and money to build a good controller. 
It will cost more, so you'll sell less, but may be able to make enough 
to survive for a while. The challenge here is that you lose more if you 
fail, and there is no guarantee that the EV market will ever grow enough 
so you can make a decent living at it.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in    --    Leonard Cohen
--
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:14:30 -0400
From: "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 120k mile EV battery law?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
        <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

"You are talking about the California law regarding PZEVs to last 15 years,
150,000 miles."

No, I'm not talking about that AT-PZEV law thingy. Here is the quote
from the article on Autobloggreen.com

"In the Bloomberg interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIN4YvfD-Ug) he
(Robert C. Stempel) mentions an obscure federal and California law
that says electric car batteries must last the "life of the car."

According to the commenters on the website, Mr. Stempel confused the
law with the AT-PZEV law warrenty thing. The video is a year old
though, so I just wanted to see if anyone here has heard about this,
or if it was just a mistake.



On 9/9/07, Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because they are considered to be part of the "Emissions Control System"
>
> > Now why would they require the hybrid components to last longer than
> > any other components of a regular ICE car?
> >
> > On 9/9/07, m gol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> You are talking about the California law regarding PZEVs to last 15
> >> years,
> >> 150,000 miles.
> >>
> >> But not all components are covered.
> >>
> >> http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f12/15-year-150k-mile-warranty-whopeeee-653/
> >>
> >> On 9/8/07, Joseph T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I heard something that it is a law to have batteries in EVs last 120k
> >> > mile. Is this true?
> >> >
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I read somewhere on the EPA or DOE website that fleet conversion efficiency is 
16% but can't find the reference now.  The only thing I could find is 
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml




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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back


<...but an ICE will only get 20-25% of the total "to the road">




       
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:19:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Matt Milliron's MTC motor pics
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey all

I just got done loading up Matts MTC-4001 motor pics
at the site.  Pretty fun before and after album.  The
motor won't arrive till Wednesday for Matt and he's
writting me like EVery 2 hours 8^o so I thought I'd
get the pics up to keep him occupied for a bit 8^P

Hope you enjoy.

http://www.hitorqueelectric.com/

Hey Matt, this make it better or worse?  LMAO!

Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric


       
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:26:55 -0400
From: Jeremy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] trying to find an adapter plate for b-series
        Honda/Acura     motor
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know if anyone has a pattern for a B-Series honda adapter  
(92- integra or some of the Civic SI and Del Sol motors)?
Electroauto doesn't have it and doesn't seem to be overly interested  
in getting the pattern since I haven't gotten any response to my  
emails.  I may resort to calling them soon but I gather from my lack  
of response that they aren't enthusiastic about it and that makes me  
a little nervous.

Is there anyone else making taperlock adapters?

I would be confident making the plate myself, it's just the taperlock  
adapter would be a little more difficult for me.
I would prefer a taperlock since I gather they are a little better  
and handling torque.

Any information would be helpful.

Thanks!

                        -Jeremy Green



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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:29:18 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL]  need some help interpretting odd charging behavior
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Murdering the batteries before using them in an EV, Thats a new twist. ;-)

I have a similar situation in that 4 batteries are 1 week different than
the rest. 1 of those batteries is alwasys the first to go low voltage
warning and always the last to fill.

In other words, it has a higher internal resistance.
So, for example, when I drive and take 25 ah out of the pack, 27ah comes
out of that battery, 2 to heat from the internal resistance and 25 to
the controller. The rest of them dish out 26ah to get that same 25ah out
(they are in series, they must all put the same out the terminals)
During charge this resistance rears it's head again and that battery
wastes energy on charge taking longer to get full.

Such is living with lead.



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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:49:33 -0500
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] A123 Battery Feasibility
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For the classic buck converter used for PWM EV controllers, the way to
> parallel them is to use a separate inductor for each controller, and ten
> run them *out* of phase so their on-times do *not* overlap. This does
> not let you use the motor as your inductor; but does greatly reduce
> noise and the amount of capacitors needed.

You don't *need* to make sure they run out of phase, though; it just
helps with noise. Two perfectly normal Curtis controllers should
parallel just fine if you put a big inductor between their output and
the motor. By big, though, I mean an inductor of roughly 100 uH that
can handle your max motor current and has low losses at 15 kHz.

-Morgan



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:58:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 120k mile EV battery law?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List
        <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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This may be why Honda sent me a letter extending my
Insight warranty to 150,000.  OK with me I just got a
new 144v battery pack at 130,000 mi.  I like GM's new
truck warranty "Lifetime"  why not include Insurance,
registration, fuel/batteries even tires and brakes
when we buy a new car.  It is then all financed over
the life of the vehicle and we know what the real
expense is for driving our own transportation versus
using public trans 
--- Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Because they are considered to be part of the
> "Emissions Control System"
> 
> > Now why would they require the hybrid components
> to last longer than
> > any other components of a regular ICE car?
> >
> > On 9/9/07, m gol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> You are talking about the California law
> regarding PZEVs to last 15
> >> years,
> >> 150,000 miles.
> >>
> >> But not all components are covered.
> >>
> >>
>
http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f12/15-year-150k-mile-warranty-whopeeee-653/
> >>
> >> On 9/8/07, Joseph T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I heard something that it is a law to have
> batteries in EVs last 120k
> >> > mile. Is this true?
> >> >
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:25:34 -0500
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] A123 Battery Feasibility
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Making sure they do not overlap implies a combined duty cycle of 100% max 
though, right?  So I'd think this would only make sense where you didn't 
want to pass a lot of power through both controllers at once, or if the 
battery pack voltage was so high that you'd never want to be on much over 
50% anyway?

Now if one controller was used to feed current from a deep cycle string into 
an AGM string, and another controller was used from the AGM string to the 
motor, interaction should be irrelevent, because the AGM string should be 
acting like a big cap (or accumulator)?  But then the controller on the 
floodies is pretty much just being a battery charger?  Might it make more 
sense to use one controller and one charger?

Marty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] A123 Battery Feasibility


> Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> For the classic buck converter used for PWM EV controllers, the way to
>> parallel them is to use a separate inductor for each controller, and ten
>> run them *out* of phase so their on-times do *not* overlap. This does
>> not let you use the motor as your inductor; but does greatly reduce
>> noise and the amount of capacitors needed.
>
> You don't *need* to make sure they run out of phase, though; it just
> helps with noise. Two perfectly normal Curtis controllers should
> parallel just fine if you put a big inductor between their output and
> the motor. By big, though, I mean an inductor of roughly 100 uH that
> can handle your max motor current and has low losses at 15 kHz.
>
> -Morgan
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:34:14 -0500
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Brass Bolts?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect
>
> For DC it is negligible.  For 60Hz, the outside 9mm of the wire
> conducts the current.  For 10kHz, it's the outside 0.66mm or so.  It's
> actually the interaction of the magnetic field and the electric field
> that cause it.

The problem is that, depending on your controller's capacitors, there
may be significant AC current at the switching frequency, 15 kHz,
where the skin effect does matter.

-Morgan



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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:41:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David D. Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back
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--- Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's not that easy.
> 
> It's not a this equals that formula.
> 
> You have to take into account the efficiency of the
> ICE and the efficiency
> of the EV drive system.

But if you measure what you put into the vehicle the
efficiencies are automatically taken into account. If
one is wondering about fuel/energy cost per mile then
use your cost of electricity and compare it to the
cost of gas. Naturally each will convert to a
different miles per gallon figure.

> 
> 
> > Guys, what am I missing.
> > I know my old Civvy got 32 mpg.
> > I know CivicWithACord gets 300 wh/mi. maximum.
> >
> > Now I need to know the equivalent watts or joules
> in a
> > gallon of gasoline, and I should be able to
> convert.
> >
> > Appreciatively,
> >
> > Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic?  For $20 DVD you
> can purchase footage of
> > my '92 sedan, as well as a del Sol and hatch too!
> > Learn more at:
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> > Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe
> came out of the steering
> > wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:42:44 -0500
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] A123 Battery Feasibility
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Morgan LaMoore wrote:
> You don't *need* to make sure they run out of phase, though; it just
> helps with noise. Two perfectly normal Curtis controllers should
> parallel just fine if you put a big inductor between their output and
> the motor. By big, though, I mean an inductor of roughly 100 uH that
> can handle your max motor current and has low losses at 15 kHz.

Running them out of phase also helps by significantly reducing the 
amount of capacitance needed on the controller's inputs. A new design 
should always work this way.

But if you're stuck with using existing controllers, ignoring the phase 
should still work. I haven't tried it, but a pair of Curtis controller 
should work OK in parallel if each has its own big enough inductor in 
series with its M- terminal to the motor. You would probably also want a 
big external freewheel diode right across the motor itself; otherwise 
you could get some nasty voltage spikes on the junction where the two 
external inductors and the motor connect.
-- 
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in    --    Leonard Cohen
--
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:46:17 -0500
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
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        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not that easy.
>
> It's not a this equals that formula.
>
> You have to take into account the efficiency of the ICE and the efficiency
> of the EV drive system.

No, you don't. That's the point: the comparison of power in per mile
*is* a comparison of the overall efficiencies of the ICE vs. EV. Not
just motor efficiency vs. engine efficiency, but also including drag
and mechanical friction. Using the direct conversion factor, you are
looking at how much energy you put into the car to travel one mile.
Not how much of the energy is actually used by the car (factoring in
efficiency), but how much you have to put in.

With the ICE at 32 mpg, you put in 36 kWh and you travel 32 miles,
giving you about 1100 Wh/mile.

With an EV, you put in 300 Wh of electricity and you drive a mile. The
EV thus takes 300 Wh/mile.

-Morgan



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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:50:00 -0500
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Brass Bolts?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Morgan LaMoore wrote:
> The problem is that, depending on your controller's capacitors, there
> may be significant AC current at the switching frequency, 15 kHz,
> where the skin effect does matter.

Except that the skin effect at 15 KHz is still negligible with the size 
wire most EVs are wired with. Plus, the 15 KHz ripple current is a small 
fraction of the DC current (20% or less).

When all is said and done, you won't find any practical difference in 
the losses between solid #00, stranded #00, and dozens of strands of 
separately insulated wires with an equivalent cross-section equal to #00 
in an EV.

-- 
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in    --    Leonard Cohen
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:01:03 +0200
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Controller cheap?
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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demand is hard to say, the enthusiast market doesn't seem to be huge yet 
but a good and cheap controller could change that. if it's actually 
genuinely reliable you may also be able to get the forklift market

as for cost, the key electronics seems to be power transistors, diodes 
and caps. the transistors could be these for instance:
http://www.st.com/stonline/books/pdf/docs/13241.pdf at less than 2$ a 
pop at 500 pieces. I guesstimate that if water cooled you could get 
40amps out of those even in parallel. maybe even more but that would be 
roughly 100$. for 1000amps worth.
then say perhaps this panasonic 350V 100uF cap: 
http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/components/pdf/ee104_eeu_eb_dne.pdf
at 1$ if you buy 1000 at a time. maybe 50 of those needed. let's say 
roughly 2-300$ for the main electronics. then the supporting 
electronics, some simple bussbars, water cooling bar and fittings, PCB, 
base board and thermoplastic lid etc.. say 500$ total cost? profitable 
at 800$ in volume maybe..

more importantly I don't think you need 1000amps continuous power. 300V 
500A is more than fine for instance. that's almost 200 ponies
and I figure the chinese could spit those out for 500$ retail. I would 
buy one

where it really gets interesting is when it's combined with DCDC and a 
recharger in a sub 1000$ package. that would be something and that's 
what we need electronics wise

Dan



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



How could one  figure out the demand for a more economical, in stock / 
off the shelf  controller?  What should the specs be?  36 - 300 Volts  
1000 Amps  max?  What would a fair price be?

Dave Delman
Electric DeLorean Conversion





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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:13:48 -0700
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Tesla cobalt cells vs. lifepo
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I don't think licensing was their primary motivation.  It was expedience.
The BMS was a shortcut to get the job done with commodity technology.  Tesla
should strongly consider transitioning to safer cells as soon as they can
because if the BMS ever blows up in a Pinto fireball it's ALL OVER for them.

-----Original Message-----
My guess is that they (Tesla) want to own the battery module technology and
offer it for sale to OEMs. That being said, buying expensive, propietary
LiFePO4 cells probably doesn't fit into that plan right now. I'd bet that
they just cannot get the price point they want from A123.




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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:14:44 -0400
From: "Jack Riggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Matt Milliron's MTC motor pics
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what does LMAO! mean or stand for?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Matt Milliron's MTC motor pics


> Hey all
>
> I just got done loading up Matts MTC-4001 motor pics
> at the site.  Pretty fun before and after album.  The
> motor won't arrive till Wednesday for Matt and he's
> writting me like EVery 2 hours 8^o so I thought I'd
> get the pics up to keep him occupied for a bit 8^P
>
> Hope you enjoy.
>
> http://www.hitorqueelectric.com/
>
> Hey Matt, this make it better or worse?  LMAO!
>
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:36:12 -0800
From: "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Matt Milliron's MTC motor pics
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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"laughing my ass off"

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_slang_phrases
For a full list of Internet slang.


On 9/9/07, Jack Riggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what does LMAO! mean or stand for?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:19 PM
> Subject: [EVDL] Matt Milliron's MTC motor pics
>
>
> > Hey all
> >
> > I just got done loading up Matts MTC-4001 motor pics
> > at the site.  Pretty fun before and after album.  The
> > motor won't arrive till Wednesday for Matt and he's
> > writting me like EVery 2 hours 8^o so I thought I'd
> > get the pics up to keep him occupied for a bit 8^P
> >
> > Hope you enjoy.
> >
> > http://www.hitorqueelectric.com/
> >
> > Hey Matt, this make it better or worse?  LMAO!
> >
> > Cya
> > Jim Husted
> > Hi-Torque Electric
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:36:53 -0800
From: "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV attitudes... my soap box
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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You said it Ken :)

I think if there were EV's available today, even without mega
advertising campaigns, they would sell as many as they could make.
GM had waiting lists for the EV1, who knows how many they would have
sold if they had kept them on the market and actually 'tried' to sell
them.

The public (sadly) believes what it has been told to believe by
corporate advertising and if they had been told that EV's were cool
and practical people would be buying them, therefore it is more a
political issue than a matter of resources.

People buy bottled water!!!! Talk about wasting money! But they have
been told that what is in the bottle is actually safer and so they are
willing to pay for it. (ninety percent of the time if you read the
label it is actually filtered water from the local municipality (see
they are thinking, it would be a huge waste of money to ship all that
water from somewhere else)) This could never have happened if
$billions was not spent to convince people to pay for something that
has always been free.
(I wonder when people will be buying bottled air to breath) lol

I dunno, just a thought.

Cheers,
Tehben

P.S. Sorry If what I said sounded like a statement, It is just what I believe.



On 9/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think Victor pretty much nailed it, but I don't think it has to be quite so
> gloomy.
>
> My "day job" is at a TV station where I have learned a lot about marketing.
> I don't work in that department, but I have seen how profoundly effective
> marketing is.  Indeed opinion is the determining factor.  I have seen how
> advertising campaigns are designed to create an opinion.  Many corporations 
> will spend
> billions to create mass public opinion that will sell their products.
>
> From personal experience, I am convinced that EV's are sellable.  The people
> I meet on the street and in parking lots when I am driving our NmG, Tweety,
> are astounded that electric drive can produce that kind of performance.
> Especially when they follow me to a parking lot after I just spanked a hot 
> street
> rod, and / or witnessed a full scream burn-out.  They are astonished that EV's
> are not more wide spread when they witness the performance.  Even after I
> explain the weaknesses, such as range they can see that it is being very 
> useful as a
> daily driver so that is not really a killer.  They accept the new idea of a
> specific purpose vehicle.  And the kick-ass performance is the primary opinion
> modifier.  It even stops very impressed "grandmas" to ask about it.  At the
> last 'Street Warriorz' event at PIR, the White Zombie may not have beat the 
> ZO6
> Corvette, but it was the White Zombie that wowed the crowd, not the Vette.
> What the crowd saw was what carried the weight and that was the Zombie
> car-lengths ahead of the ZO6.
>
> EV's are capable of tremendous wow factor, but only a minuscule tiny fraction
> of the public is seeing it.  If $billions were spent on an add campaign, as
> major automakers do, the public would go EV in a heartbeat.
>
> One difficulty, however, is sort of a chicken - egg thing.  Due to
> insufficient market, EV offerings are stiflingly weak.  Since the offerings 
> are so weak,
> there is no money available for such an opinion generating add campaign.
> Additionally, such a small market results in very low production volumes 
> causing
> the cost to be out of reach.  But, I do believe that if such a campaign could
> be launched, and a market was created, EV's would flourish regardless of
> initial cost.  Example, when HD-TV's first came on the market they cost over
> $20,000.  Since people still bough them and created a production volume, the 
> cost
> dropped to less than $2,000.  The Apple i-phone just made news of angering the
> early buyers by drastically reducing the selling price.  But, that is the way
> it is.  Volume determines the price.  The products have to sell before the
> price can come down.
>
> And now for my "soap box"?
>
> I like to think that every little bit helps.  If we would like to see the
> general public driving EV's we must be very careful how we build EV 
> conversions.
> A poorly done conversion with disorganized wiring, parts mounted on an old
> stick of wood and holds up traffic because it can't accelerate doesn't help at
> all.  In fact it helps solidify the already negative opinion the public has
> about EV's.  Sorry, but, the environment argument won't go anywhere with a
> vehicle like that - they are already turned off.  We must do conversions that 
> will
> impress the public.  Or at least get their attention in a positive way.  One
> that will open their mind to a different way of getting around - and having a
> blast doing it!  Yes, it is staggeringly expensive, but it has to be done if 
> we
> want to make a difference.  The general public is not going to build
> conversions, but your conversion can help build a positive opinion about EV's 
> and that
> is the first requirement to a successful EV market.  And as Victor indicated,
> being "good" for the environment, or anything else, just won't cut it.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/8/2007 4:55:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Michaela Merz wrote:
> ...
> It will take many, many years for the majority of
> > people to understand that we can't continue to waste our global resources
> > and I doubt that I will be around to see it.
> >
> > Michaela
>
> I tend to stay away from such topics, but will respond on this one.
>
> I'm not disagreeing with you, but
> unfortunately, this sounds a bit naive hope (I wish it wasn't).
> I's a bit like hoping to let people know drinking is bad and expect
> everyone live sober lives starting tomorrow. They know it's bad, but
> it's well settled habit, convenient and [still] cheap enough.
> So most will show the world third finger and keep drinking.
>
> We are not children and should not be afraid to admit something
> like this.
>
> Why do you expect different reaction from a hummer driver if you
> tell him his choice is ultimately bad for the world? C'mon.
>
> If wasting resources is bad but cheap, people WILL waste resources
> if this brings them real or imagined satisfaction.
> Plenty of examples. Tell me one example where you told somebody
> something is bad and it has changed not because you offered better
> alternative instead, but just because you expressed that your
> opinion.
>
> Bill Dube expressed very valid point I couldn't agree more -
> people buy cars out of emotional reasons, like cloths.
> I would add why. Because they are being judged by others
> based on what they drive, same way as by what they wear.
>
> Unless being seen in H3 will be judged so that it is undesirable
> for it's driver (whatever his criteria is), NO WAY you can pry him
> out of that vehicle. He wants to be cool, he [thinks that he] is
> being seen cool, so if it is offered and affordable, he'll go for it.
>
> Let's get real.
>
> It will only end when resources end. Or, as David pointed out, when
> resources will artificially be made too hard/inconvenient to obtain or
> expensive (or gradually outlawed), but these options are up to
> manipulation by politicians, so not much hope they will do right thing
> (based on past history).
>
> Fortunately, politicians and oil forces cannot change the fact that
> fossil resources are simply finite, so they will be forced (against
> their will) to find other solutions. *Then* situation will change
> for sure.
>
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:48:08 -0700
From: "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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        reply-type=original

You can use your Civic example to get a conversion formula.  The gasoline 
burning Civic
goes 32 mpg.  Civicwithacord goes 3.3 miles per kwhr. So it requires about 
10 kwhr to do
the work of one gallon of gasoline.  Comparison of gasolinje and electric 
versions of other
vehicles will also show that a gallon of gasoline is equivalent to about 10 
kwhrs.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:04 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Converting from watt-hours/mi. to mi/gal & back


> Guys, what am I missing.
> I know my old Civvy got 32 mpg.
> I know CivicWithACord gets 300 wh/mi. maximum.
>
> Now I need to know the equivalent watts or joules in a
> gallon of gasoline, and I should be able to convert.
> 



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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:54:41 -0400
From: "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Tesla Roadster in Project Gotham Racing!!!
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID:
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http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/09/09/video-tesla-in-project-gotham-racing-4-ad

:)



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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:57:38 -0800
From: "m gol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Think City Nicad Charger Needed
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Me again..  I have a 10 amp 72 volt battery charger that came out of a
Th!nk.

I bought it used on ebay.  It has 6 wires.

Is this the same guy you need?

later,

On 8/31/07, Mark Dutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A week ago I received my Think City from Norway. This was one of the
> original Thinks and was in the Millennium Dome in the UK on
> exhibition for many years and then sold to a private party in Norway
> on ebay where a new Saft pack of Nicads was installed (never had a
> pack) about a couple years ago. The car only has 1200 miles on it and
> after a couple charges here in the US the Actia Energy J71 3.3kw
> charger died. I opened it ti find the strangest soot everywhere and
> melted parts. I called Think last night and I was told this was not
> uncommon and although they have the original replacement I would
> prefer not to spend big bucks on another lemon and the Brusas from
> Metric Mind are a bit expensive particularly after the money I spent
> getting the car here.  See pics--
>
>
> http://web.mac.com/markdutko/iWeb/Site/speed%20sensor.html
>
> Does anyone know of a charger that could work on this pack, The car
> has a BMS that talks to the charger and the BMS can be read from the
> factory diagnostic tool. I don't think a PFC could be set up to do
> the profile for a Nicad but I am open to any suggestions or people
> who may have a used Brusa or something. This is a great EV with a
> great pack and a part of SF history and I really want to take the
> best care in preserving it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
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