Send EV mailing list submissions to
ev@lists.sjsu.edu
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can reach the person managing the list at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of EV digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin
Award.) (Marty Hewes)
2. Re: German low drag car ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
3. Re: Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin
Award.) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
4. Re: Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it merits....)
(Jim Husted)
5. Back from SFO area (Eduardo Kaftanski)
6. Re: ( Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
7. 58,500 hits on Google for killacycle+crash (Dmitri)
8. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (lyle sloan)
9. Re: Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it merits....)
(David D. Nelson)
10. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (patrick DonEgan)
11. Re: 58,500 hits on Google for killacycle+crash (patrick DonEgan)
12. Re: Darwin Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's name?
(patrick DonEgan)
13. Re: Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for DarwinAward.)
(Marty Hewes)
14. Re: Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it merits....)
(Shaun Williams)
15. Re: Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it merits....)
(R. Matt Milliron)
16. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
17. Unplanned Lauch during Burnout (Tom Shay)
18. Re: Unplanned Lauch during Burnout (Marty Hewes)
19. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Loni)
20. Re: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (keith vansickle)
21. Re: Another EV (Ranger) Grin! (Dave Cover)
22. Re: killacycle crash - High quality video (John Bryan)
23. Re: killacycle crash - High quality video (Myles Twete)
24. SAFT point of contact (Richard Acuti)
25. Re: SAFT point of contact (Dmitri)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:58:16 -0500
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin
Award.)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I think the distinction is, no human operated kill system could have
operated fast enough given the circumstances. I think you did as well as
possible. But I think a totally automatic system triggered by a combination
of inputs that should never coincide could have shut down power faster than
any human can react, within milliseconds.
High motor current plus brake lights has got to mean trouble.
Are the forks and wheel off the shelf items?
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 1:31 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.)
>I did manage to shut it down in about a second, but it goes quite a
> distance in a second.
>
> It was not difficult to shut down, but it takes a finite amount of
> time for a human to react. No matter what you choose as a shut-down,
> the driver must react in _some_ way first. This takes about 3/4
> second. Simply deciding to operate the brakes takes about 3/4 of a
> second. No disconnect system would have worked faster than what
> actually occurred.
>
> I _almost_ got it stopped. I needed about another 10 to 20 ft. That
> is where I personally stopped, you will notice. Had the bike been
> moving very fast, I would have gone a long way before I stopped. I
> came to rest about ten feet beyond the car. This is where the bike
> would have stopped. (Actually before that point.)
>
> The front forks are bent. The front wheel is bent. The pack has a
> dent from the wheel. The front cowling is cracked. Everything else is
> just fine. The front forks and wheel are very lightweight aluminum,
> so they crumpled right up with this very minor impact.
>
> Bill D.
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:03:01 -0700
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] German low drag car
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
The front windshield and dashboard being part of the hood looks beyond
stupid. Same deal with the split rear window and integrated Segways in the
Opel E-Flex. I'm shocked that expensive projects like this get all the way
to the concept stage without someone pointing out the obvious.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Dan Frederiksen
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] German low drag car
50km/L (~115MPG) low drag light weight 2 cylinder gas car:
http://evolution.loremo.com/content/view/13/47/lang,en/
and real photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/loremo/1292854470/
might make for a good EV conversion base if they are reasonably priced
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:20:34 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin
Award.)
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
In a message dated 9/15/2007 1:18:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think the distinction is, no human operated kill system could have
operated fast enough given the circumstances. I think you did as well as
possible. But I think a totally automatic system triggered by a combination
of inputs that should never coincide could have shut down power faster than
any human can react, within milliseconds.
High motor current plus brake lights has got to mean trouble.
Are the forks and wheel off the shelf items?
Marty>>>>
I set up my electric three wheeler with a "load shed" relay in the brake
light circuit. I grab the brakes and all power shuts down....
Matt Parkhouse
Colorado Springs, CO
BMW m/c-Golf Cart trike - 48 volts, 30mph on the flat, 35 mile range 2,300
EV ,iles
1972 VW Van - to be converted this year!
************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
--- Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It has also been disquieting to read the comment
> blogs and see the
> huge number of folks that delight in "kicking a guy
> when he is down".
Hey Bill, all
I also read some of the spiteful comments at the one
site and it just shows how many unhappy people there
are out there. You've been a great sport amongst
friends, but don't let the jerks get you down. Here's
hoping your spirits and the bike aren't down for long
8^)
I know this is a huge set back for you guys. On a
good note, it didn't appear to have caused any motor
damage 8^o so it looks like I got off light, poor
Steve and Derek though 8^P
It is to bad it didn't run into a big gas sucking SUV
or something though. You could have come back with
"Ohh crap I had it in attack mode" LMAO.
Cya
Jim Husted
____________________________________________________________________________________
Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo!
FareChase.
http://farechase.yahoo.com/
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:01:49 -0400
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Back from SFO area
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I am back in Chile, after another dozen hours flying.
I met Cor van de Water and Mark Dutko, both were very kind and
showed me their sane and insane proyects and gave me my first and
second EV rides. I am very grateful. I also got a lot on information and
pictures for my report.
Some pictures I left here: http://www.nn.cl/Autos/SFO/ including some
taken in the public areas of Google Campus (where I was all week in training)
including their Recharge-it plug in hybrids and solar charging stations.
As you can see, I rented a Prius and fell in love with the car. I would
buy one in a split second if they were offered in Chile at all.
One non ev I included is this:
http://www.nn.cl/Autos/SFO/2007_09_13/IMG_4317_2.JPG
Was worth a picture :)
--
Eduardo K. |
http://www.carfun.cl | Freedom's just another word
http://ev.nn.cl | for nothing left to lose.
|
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:03:19 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ( Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.)
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
In a message dated 9/15/2007 12:17:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> L] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.)
> Date:9/15/2007 12:17:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> To:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
>
>
>
>
> Are the forks and wheel off the shelf items?
>
>
> ^^^^^^^Lots could be wrong with the bike from a pinched wire to bent frame.
The bike should be completly torn down and the frame tested (maganaflux)as
nhra would do after a crash on there tracks. I would not want to be the next
rider unless the bike was torn down. Relearn the word SAFE.
Dennis Berube
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:15:04 -0400
From: "Dmitri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] 58,500 hits on Google for killacycle+crash
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=killacycle+crash Haha, the
word got out fast!
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:30:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: lyle sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I really dont like the title of this thread. Maybe
change it to safety awareness or some such.
Do you really need the full pack voltage or amperage
for shows? Is it possible to keep it simple and
install a switch for just shows that reduces the packs
amps in half for burnout demos? Or maybe even further
for rolling around, I mean what if this happened when
someone is trying to get it in the trailer or on a
podium?
--- Derek Barger wrote:
> A weight on the ground is silly and dangerous. If
> the cable get
> tangled in the rear tire it fling the weight into
> someone. A switch
> on the front tire that if you push against it might
> work if you hit it
> or a sensor on the front wheel it it turns more
> than one revolution
> might work. I knew something bad was going to
> happen. I asked Bill if
> he had insurance on the bike. There are other things
> I said but it
> looks like I was ignored on those points. Bill has
> never done a
> burnout before on this battery pack that I know of.
> He just wasn't use
> to the great power of the A123 cells.
>
> Derek Barger
> Killacycle team
>
> On 9/15/07, Marty Hewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When this bike is capable of going something like
> 0-40 MPH in less time than
> > human reaction time, I think automatic shutoffs
> need to be considered.
> > During burnouts anyplace but at a dragstrip, I
> really think there ought to
> > be a weight on the ground with a cord to a Jet Ski
> type dead man's switch.
> > If the bike moves more than a few feet, the switch
> should kill the motor
> > faster than the rider can react. Let's face it,
> on a machine like this,
> > there isn't time for concious thought even by a
> seasoned rider. If I were
> > on it, and had to make a decision as to which kill
> switch to use, or whether
> > letting go of the front brake to turn the throttle
> back was a good idea,
> > it'd all be over but the funeral by the time I
> took any action.
> >
> > Other thoughts, maybe a detector for rear brake
> application, or maybe a
> > different front brake to be used during burnouts
> and staging, with the
> > normal front brake as well as the rear brake
> immediately killing the drive.
> > I'd give some thought to what a rider might
> instintively do and use that
> > input to shut down. Conscious thought is too slow
> and unpredictable.
> >
> > Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin
> Award.
> >
> >
> > > There is 3 different kill switches on the bike.
> Bill is always telling
> > > me there is a 4th it is a thumb pushbutton that
> tells the zilla to
> > > launch if you push that and the throttle is
> turned on at the same time
> > > it should shutdown. I guess he forgot that it
> was right next to his
> > > thumb on the throttle side.
> > >
> > > What I am not looking forward to is fixing the
> Killacycle it is going
> > > to take alot of work. Does anyone think that
> this can be fixed in a
> > > week?
> > >
> > > Derek Barger
> > > KillaCycle Team
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/15/07, Tim Clevenger
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Sounds like Killacycle needs a thumb-activated
> kill switch. Maybe the
> > >> stock
> > >> "Start" button? That way, you can kill power
> without having to lift off
> > >> either brake.
> > >>
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > For subscription options, see
> > > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > For subscription options, see
> > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!
http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:17:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David D. Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Bill,
I'm reminded of a proverb I heard once which says that
the nail which sticks its head above the rest gets
pounded. Most people don't have the guts to make
things happen and they are often scared of anything
new. When they can find anything to put down they do
because they are like crabs in a bucket, pulling down
those who try to get out rather than cheering them on.
These are the same people who routinely knock
opportunity when opportunity knocks!
David D. Nelson
--- Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It has also been disquieting to read the comment
> blogs and see the
> huge number of folks that delight in "kicking a guy
> when he is down".
> They seem to have so much anger towards someone they
> don't even know.
>
> Yes, a ton of folks have been very supportive, but
> the size (and
> venom) of this "evil fraction" is a bit scary.
>
> Bill Dube'
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
David D. Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1328
____________________________________________________________________________________
Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows.
Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:23:07 -1000
From: "patrick DonEgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
For a Darwin Award - the person has to die!
And I am NOT for that happening!
On 9/14/07, Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They gave me a few stitches on a cut on my head, and
> > > bandaids here
> > > and there, and then I walked several blocks back to
> > > the convention
> > > center, feeling like an idiot. :-\
> > >
> > > Bill D. (the idiot)
> > *********************************
>
> Well Bill I think that says it all. I'm sure you won't get on that bike
> again without a helmet and a real course in front of you. It certainly is a
> lesson to all of us experimenting with EV's. After seeing the video and
> having that sinking feeling when you were laying on your back I am so glad
> Killacycle didn't live up to its name. Uhhh I'm feeling a little guilty but
> I nominated you for a Darwin Award. Lawrence Rhodes.......Real smart people
> do screw up, but it's at a higher level.
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
--
Patrick Ira Donegan
TigerBody Electric Vehicles
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:29:51 -1000
From: "patrick DonEgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 58,500 hits on Google for killacycle+crash
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Now, if one percent of them purchased an electric motorcycle...
or donated $1......
On 9/15/07, Dmitri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=killacycle+crash Haha, the
> word got out fast!
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
--
Patrick Ira Donegan
TigerBody Electric Vehicles
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:36:54 -1000
From: "patrick DonEgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Darwin Nomination: Killacycle lives up to it's
name?
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I truely hope that this will be one more example of:
"Any publicity is good publicity!"
On 9/15/07, Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill's story is running over 90% positive. If you care to vote you can go
> here http://darwinawards.com/slush/new/pending20070914-012422.html and vote
> for or against Bill's inclusion into a Darwin Award Honorable Mention.
> Lawrence Rhodes....
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
--
Patrick Ira Donegan
TigerBody Electric Vehicles
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:44:34 -0500
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for
DarwinAward.)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Yeah, that sounds fine for street driving, but doing exhibition burnouts
requires the use of the front brake with part throttle. The question is how
to reliably detect when the rear tire has gained too much traction and the
bike is launching. I'm guessing there should be an increase in motor
current, which should be easily detectable with no unreliable moving parts.
Or maybe weight on the seat. During a burnout isn't the driver standing,
but if the bike moves, he's not, but that would come later?
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Reaction time (was: Bill Dube nominated for
DarwinAward.)
> In a message dated 9/15/2007 1:18:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> I think the distinction is, no human operated kill system could have
> operated fast enough given the circumstances. I think you did as well as
> possible. But I think a totally automatic system triggered by a
> combination
> of inputs that should never coincide could have shut down power faster
> than
> any human can react, within milliseconds.
>
> High motor current plus brake lights has got to mean trouble.
>
> Are the forks and wheel off the shelf items?
>
> Marty>>>>
>
> I set up my electric three wheeler with a "load shed" relay in the brake
> light circuit. I grab the brakes and all power shuts down....
>
> Matt Parkhouse
> Colorado Springs, CO
> BMW m/c-Golf Cart trike - 48 volts, 30mph on the flat, 35 mile range
> 2,300
> EV ,iles
> 1972 VW Van - to be converted this year!
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at
> http://www.aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
------------------------------
Message: 14
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:51:11 +1000
From: "Shaun Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Bill & Co.,
It's VERY important to remember that many who post comments at YouTube
etc are very young, typically pre-teen. If you read the comments in
that context i.e. "look at me, I can type, I have an opinion, I'm
smarter than any adult on the planet" etc then you won't feel so bad.
We're all still going through a learning phase at the moment with the
internet and parents need to learn that supervision of their
children's behaviour in cyber world is just as important as in the
real world.
FWIW I think when the dust settles, you'll see a lot more positives
come out of this EVent than any negatives. I also think you are taking
the whole thing very well. You have very broad, if not a little sore,
shoulders!
On 9/16/07, David D. Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I'm reminded of a proverb I heard once which says that
> the nail which sticks its head above the rest gets
> pounded. Most people don't have the guts to make
> things happen and they are often scared of anything
> new. When they can find anything to put down they do
> because they are like crabs in a bucket, pulling down
> those who try to get out rather than cheering them on.
> These are the same people who routinely knock
> opportunity when opportunity knocks!
>
> David D. Nelson
>
> --- Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It has also been disquieting to read the comment
> > blogs and see the
> > huge number of folks that delight in "kicking a guy
> > when he is down".
> > They seem to have so much anger towards someone they
> > don't even know.
> >
> > Yes, a ton of folks have been very supportive, but
> > the size (and
> > venom) of this "evil fraction" is a bit scary.
> >
> > Bill Dube'
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > For subscription options, see
> > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
> >
>
>
> David D. Nelson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1328
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who
> knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
> http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
--
Shaun
www.electric-echo.com
------------------------------
Message: 15
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:55:07 -0500
From: "R. Matt Milliron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Not really "unfazed" (Was: More drama than it
merits....)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:17:11 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>Bill,
>
>I'm reminded of a proverb I heard once which says that
>the nail which sticks its head above the rest gets
>pounded. Most people don't have the guts to make
>things happen and they are often scared of anything
>new. When they can find anything to put down they do
>because they are like crabs in a bucket, pulling down
>those who try to get out rather than cheering them on.
>These are the same people who routinely knock
>opportunity when opportunity knocks!
>
My first thought was of the quote: "It is better to be the hammer
than the nail." This is what Killacycle usually does. It is the tool
that Bill Dube' uses. It knocks the point home that there are
alternatives out there. That we are not limited to the drek we are
spoon fed by big business and our "representative" government.
My second thought was how apt the crabs in a bucket analogy was. I
have had personal experience with the small mind that would rather
wallow around in mediocrity than try to rise above. The kind of
person that will pull down, anyone around them that threatens their
fragile egos. These people will viciously attack any perceived threat
to be better than they are. Yet, will do nothing to better themselves
or anyone else around them. I see this happening to Mr. Dube'.
Third. Bill Dube' is pushing the envelope when it comes to electric
vehicles. He made a mistake. When you are working that far in
advance of everybody else things can happen. Just be glad that no one
was hurt badly. Ask him to be careful, then drop it. He feels bad
enough already.
This, from a crab that managed to make it out of the bucket.
R. M. Milliron
1981 Jet Electrica
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
------------------------------
Message: 16
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:10:20 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
In a message dated 9/15/2007 11:43:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is exactly the point and why I am an idiot. I have no business
driving a machine of this performance level. I really knew this (and
actually said it) but I didn't listen to myself.
I am not experienced enough (and frankly too old) to be driving a 400
HP drag bike. I don't do it often enough, regardless of my experience and
age.
As I told Scotty Pollacheck yesterday, "I promise never to drive YOUR
motorcycle again."
Problem solved. Professional drivers only. No "idiots" allowed on the bike.
Bill Dube'
----------------------
Bill, don't be to hard on yourself, I know you learned your lesson but use
your energy now to get the bike ready for next week, you can kick yourself
later.
Jim
************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
------------------------------
Message: 17
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:10:59 -0700
From: "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Unplanned Lauch during Burnout
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I wonder how unusual it is for a drag bike to do an unplanned launch
during burnout like Killacycle did? It seems to me that it might not be
unusual for a powerful bike to hook up and go in spite of the front
brake. I also wonder if Bill had the wheelie bars adjusted to keep the
front wheel firmly on the ground?
------------------------------
Message: 18
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:57:18 -0500
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Unplanned Lauch during Burnout
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I also wonder if the condition of the pavement in the burnout box at a drag
strip makes hooking up less likely? I would think coefficient of friction
of the pavement, or the size of the stone in the blacktop vs. the depth of
the water in the puddle might play a big part. I do wonder, given the
possible rate of acceleration, and rider reaction time, just how much room
in front of the bike would be required to get shut down and stopped in case
it grabbed? I personally feel the biggest error might have been a lack of
appreciation for just how far Killacycle can travel and what speed it can
reach during a normal person's reaction time, not anything Bill did during
the ride.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:10 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Unplanned Lauch during Burnout
>I wonder how unusual it is for a drag bike to do an unplanned launch
> during burnout like Killacycle did? It seems to me that it might not be
> unusual for a powerful bike to hook up and go in spite of the front
> brake. I also wonder if Bill had the wheelie bars adjusted to keep the
> front wheel firmly on the ground?
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
------------------------------
Message: 19
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 23:55:48 -0700
From: "Loni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
No need to be so hard on yourself, Bill. Proving your humanity after years
of high accomplishment is pretty endearing. This might end up being the best
publicity team Killacycle could hope for. Next time your publicity agent
suggests such a stunt though, tell him to provide a stunt double (I doubt
Scotty is willing)!
On a seriou note, I have a fairly light work schedule after Tuesday this
week. If you need another hand at the shop, even to play gopher, let me
know. I have 24 years of fabrication and mechanical maintenance experience,
so I should be able to hand you a Fluke meter (or cut and weld in a frame
cross-brace) upon request ;)
Lon Hull,
503-880-8053
Portland, OR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dube" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
>
>>
>>Not if you're a seasoned rider, they can and do perform miracles..
>
>
> This is exactly the point and why I am an idiot. I have no business
> driving a machine of this performance level. I really knew this (and
> actually said it) but I didn't listen to myself.
>
> I am not experienced enough (and frankly too old) to be driving a 400
> HP drag bike. I don't do it often enough, regardless of my experience and
> age.
>
> As I told Scotty Pollacheck yesterday, "I promise never to drive YOUR
> motorcycle again."
>
> Problem solved. Professional drivers only. No "idiots" allowed on the
> bike.
>
> Bill Dube'
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
------------------------------
Message: 20
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:03:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Bill, I have to agree with Jim. You made a mistake
that lots of us have also made. when you have a piece
of equipment that is that special you want to test
yourself and it. I've tipped over 100,000 dollar
loaders and and done lots of questionable things for
just the same reasons. take it easy..you nor the bike
were seriously hurt. just move ahead.
keith
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 9/15/2007 11:43:05 A.M. Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> This is exactly the point and why I am an idiot. I
> have no business
> driving a machine of this performance level. I
> really knew this (and
> actually said it) but I didn't listen to myself.
>
> I am not experienced enough (and frankly too old)
> to be driving a 400
> HP drag bike. I don't do it often enough,
> regardless of my experience and
> age.
>
> As I told Scotty Pollacheck yesterday, "I promise
> never to drive YOUR
> motorcycle again."
>
> Problem solved. Professional drivers only. No
> "idiots" allowed on the bike.
>
> Bill Dube'
>
> ----------------------
>
> Bill, don't be to hard on yourself, I know you
> learned your lesson but use
> your energy now to get the bike ready for next week,
> you can kick yourself
> later.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's
> new at http://www.aol.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo!
FareChase.
http://farechase.yahoo.com/
------------------------------
Message: 21
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Another EV (Ranger) Grin!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> On 9/10/07, Dave Oliveria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Just a quick note to let you know that my Ranger just gave me the biggest
> > EV Grin! (Next is
> power brakes and steering, though!). I just drove my ranger up and down the
> road to get the
> feel of it then back up the driveway (pulls 200amps on the driveway incline!).
> >
Dave
Belated congratulations! I'm interested in hearing how that vacuum pump works
out. Have you put
enough miles on to estimate range and efficiency?
Good luck,
Dave Cover
------------------------------
Message: 22
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:10:07 -0600
From: "John Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] killacycle crash - High quality video
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
http://webdogpro.com/2007/09/13/killacycle-creator-injured-by-his-creation/
------------------------------
Message: 23
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:22:37 -0700
From: "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] killacycle crash - High quality video
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Good quality video.
I wonder if the Palm Pilot survived the crash.
-MT
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of John Bryan
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:10 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] killacycle crash - High quality video
http://webdogpro.com/2007/09/13/killacycle-creator-injured-by-his-creation/
_______________________________________________
For subscription options, see
http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
------------------------------
Message: 24
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:03:01 -0400
From: Richard Acuti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] SAFT point of contact
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I am investigating buying Ni-cads for my next pack. I emailed Carl at the
Valdosta, Georgia dealer location but he did not reply.
Does anyone have a good contact at Saft in the U.S.?
Do they sell the private individuals or just companies?
Does anyone have a clue what their 6v traction batteries cost these days?
Thanks,
Rich A.
_________________________________________________________________
Can you find the hidden words?? Take a break and play Seekadoo!
http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink
------------------------------
Message: 25
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:19:14 -0400
From: "Dmitri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] SAFT point of contact
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Here is an email from 2004:
You can purchase these batteries directly from me at the contact info below.
Current pricing for this particular batteris is as follows:
STM5-100MR or MRE $401.00 (USD)/6V module
STM5-140MR $556.00 (USD)/6V module
STM5-180 $766.00 (USD)/6V module
Leadtime is between 12-18 wks ARO depending on current build schedule.
Best regards,
Lou Magnarella
Sales Manager, Electric Vehicles/AGV
Saft America Inc.
711 Industrial Blvd.
Valdosta, GA 31601
(Ph) 229-245-3015
(F) 229-247-8486
(CP) 229-251-9827
new e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Acuti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 2:03 PM
Subject: [EVDL] SAFT point of contact
I am investigating buying Ni-cads for my next pack. I emailed Carl at the
Valdosta, Georgia dealer location but he did not reply.
Does anyone have a good contact at Saft in the U.S.?
Do they sell the private individuals or just companies?
Does anyone have a clue what their 6v traction batteries cost these days?
Thanks,
Rich A.
_________________________________________________________________
Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo!
http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink
_______________________________________________
For subscription options, see
http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
EV@lists.sjsu.edu
For subscription options, see
http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
End of EV Digest, Vol 2, Issue 45
*********************************
