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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Low temperature problem with Gizmo (Lee Hart)
   2. Re: What connector is this? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   3. Re: What connector is this? (Lee Hart)
   4. Re: Cheap HubMotors (Lee Hart)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:51:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Low temperature problem with Gizmo
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From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> All of them?

Yes; *all* of them!

> At first I was thinking of condensation fooling some enable, but
> *all* of them sounds like they have some low-temp safety (or their
> high temp afety value wraps around when cold and it thinks it's
> over heated)

My thoughts as well. Since all of them did it at the same time and temperature, 
it points to some design flaw rather than a random failure. I posted it to see 
if anyone else with Gizmos or Alltrax controllers have seen this behavior at 
low temperature.

Hopefully, Pete will be pulling one apart this weekend so he can see the 
controller's error lights when this happens. Of course, the outdoor temperature 
went back up... but he may be able to simulate it with a bag of ice or 
something. If the controller is shutting down because it thinks the temperature 
is too low at +40 deg.F, then we have a design or assembly error inside the 
controller.

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"Excellence does not require perfection." -- Henry James
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart-at-earthlink.net



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:04:34 -0700
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] What connector is this?
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I also think it's wildly optimistic that any production EV cheap enough for
the masses will have a 200 mile range.

If it's really expensive, it destroys the value proposition.  So it's a
catch-22.

I think BEVs are going to remain an acquired taste for some time to come.
Plugin hybrids are going to be the mainstream product.

-----Original Message-----
Honestly, when people say things like this they are forgetting the greatest
convenience of an EV.  Home Based Fueling!  Sub 10 minute charge times would
be quite useful on a car with 200+ mile range because by the time you've
exhausted your pack you're likely ready for a leg-stretch yourself!




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:39:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] What connector is this?
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> EVs will not take over until the cost of filling up is more painful
> than dealing with charge times.

It's easy to say things like this. We also hear, "EVs won't take over until 
their range is more than X miles per charge" (where X is always more than 
whatever they presently do). Or that "EVs won't sell until their price is less 
than Y", and similar things.

The truth is, nobody knows what it will take to make EV sales take off. In his 
book "The Tipping Point", Malcolm Gladwell gives example after example of how 
deeply entrenched habits of people have suddenly changed.

Most people copy what their neighbors do. If your neighbors all complain about 
gas prices but drive SUVs, then it is very likely that YOU will do exactly the 
same thing. Nobody wants to stand out, to be different, to go first. So, 
*everybody* complains about gas prices but drives SUVs. Nothing changes, no 
matter how high gas prices go, or how big SUVs get!

But eventually, the pressure of change becomes too great. Just as you can start 
an avalanche with a small amount of force in just the right place; you can tip 
the balance, to cause the situation to change. Once it starts to go, it 
releases a huge response, far larger and faster than anyone thought possible.

I think this is where we are with EVs -- right at the tipping point. People are 
ready to change (though they might not admit it, and may not even be aware of 
it themselves). The right EV, and just a few early adopters, will start an 
avalanche of change. It won't be some movie star buying a $100,000 EV sports 
car; it will be your next door neighbor buying an EV conversion that he drives 
to work every day.


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"Excellence does not require perfection." -- Henry James
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart-at-earthlink.net



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:10:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Cheap HubMotors
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From: mperry
> The illegal part I was referring to is that these rigs are 4 wheels.
> Apparently you can't have a 4 wheel vehicle (of that sort) even if
> it's pedaled, at least in Oregon. I suppose you could have one if
> it's motor operated and can meet the road laws for a motor vehicle.

How about if you put an antique car body on it, and licensed it as an antique? 
:-) Many "antique" cars have few, if any original parts by the time the owners 
have restored and rebuilt them.

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"Excellence does not require perfection." -- Henry James
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart-at-earthlink.net



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