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   1. It's all good! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   2. Re: AVCON INLET NEEDED (Evan Tuer)
   3. Re: It's all good! (keith vansickle)
   4. And again, from the CalCars News Feed (Steven Lough)
   5. Re: It's all good! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   6. Re: Charger Adaptors (Will Beckett (becketts))
   7. Re: Charger Adaptors (Will Beckett (becketts))
   8. Re: It's all good! (Matt Graham)
   9. Re: Sunday Challenge - Pics (keith vansickle)
  10. Re: Charger Adaptors (Mark Dutko)
  11. Re: Sunday Challenge - Pics (Bob Rice)
  12. Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned (EV Bones_LLC)
  13. Re: Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  14. Re: Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned (Jim Coate)
  15. Re: charging a 48V pack with a 36V charger? (Eduardo Kaftanski)
  16. BATCURE -- ?  real or not (Steve Hawkins)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:48:00 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EVDL] It's all good!
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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I have been so busy lately I haven't been able to respond to all the 
great things going on. Lately there has been some truly exciting, 
inspiring and very encouraging events take place: Dan has began work on 
a controller, 2.S.S.I.C. is kicking butt, KillaCycle is getting more 
media coverage, Ian is doing great work evaluating batteries, Roderick 
and crew is in Sedona AZ with the EV Land Rover (we need pics and 
commentary of this event!), Rob Spencer's bar stool broke the 
Bonneville Salt Flats speed record, Bob Rice got back on the list, and 
that is not all.
I apologize to the many I did not mention. I just wanted to point out 
that this is a very exciting time period and I want to say thanks to 
everyone making it all happen!

Ken

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:02:35 +0100
From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] AVCON INLET NEEDED
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 10/18/07, Ed Thorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> The typical AVCON connection is only providing AC power to an on-board
> charger, which then provides DC power to the battery pack.

Indeed, and the typical European Avcon connection can also provide DC
power from an external charger.  That was my point, but nobody seems
to believe it ;)



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It's all good!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey Ken and all,
One more thing that is happening is the
www.electricdragin.com   Our goal is to have the
bigges blowout of electric racing and display of
alternative vehicles ever.  Plus you can see and drive
some of them, for sure watch the really fast ones. So
spread the word and register your vehicle it will be
worth the trip to san diego.
 

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have been so busy lately I haven't been able to
> respond to all the 
> great things going on. Lately there has been some
> truly exciting, 
> inspiring and very encouraging events take place:
> Dan has began work on 
> a controller, 2.S.S.I.C. is kicking butt, KillaCycle
> is getting more 
> media coverage, Ian is doing great work evaluating
> batteries, Roderick 
> and crew is in Sedona AZ with the EV Land Rover (we
> need pics and 
> commentary of this event!), Rob Spencer's bar stool
> broke the 
> Bonneville Salt Flats speed record, Bob Rice got
> back on the list, and 
> that is not all.
> I apologize to the many I did not mention. I just
> wanted to point out 
> that this is a very exciting time period and I want
> to say thanks to 
> everyone making it all happen!
> 
> Ken
> 
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:42:36 -0700
From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] And again, from the CalCars News Feed
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],  Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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For those of you not privy to the CalCars News Feed.  Excellent report 
if you can receive it.  For others, this Paragraph especially resonated 
with me.  Very interesting URL's to various pdf files.  Worth a "look See"

Couldn't have put it better my self.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

DR. ULF BOSSEL, European Fuel Cell Forum,
Switzerland ( http://www.efcf.com )
presented "The Case for Electric Cars"
( http://www.driving.is/presentations/Gerbrand_Ceder_MIT_DS07.pdf )

He emphasized that the criteria for fuel cells
vs. plug-in cars should be based on "Physics not
Philosophy" and presented a broad engineering
perspective on "above-ground" (wind/solar, tidal)
vs. "below ground" (oil, coal, nuclear extractive) fuels.
  (For more on this, see his
paper at ( http://www.efcf.com/reports/E23.pdf .)

He memorably said;

     "The laws of physics can't be
changed by research projects,
votes of parliament,
  presidential initiatives,
capital investments...
The hydrogen economy has no past, present or future."
-- 
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle,  WA  98115-7230
Day:  206 850-8535
Eve:  206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:19:34 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It's all good!
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Yes!
I knew I was leaving lots of good stuff out.
Thanks, Keith, for the input!
Keep it coming!

Ken



-----Original Message-----
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:22 am
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It's all good!



Hey Ken and all,
One more thing that is happening is the
www.electricdragin.com Our goal is to have the
bigges blowout of electric racing and display of
alternative vehicles ever. Plus you can see and drive
some of them, for sure watch the really fast ones. So
spread the word and register your vehicle it will be
worth the trip to san diego.


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have been so busy lately I haven't been able to
> respond to all the
> great things going on. Lately there has been some
> truly exciting,
> inspiring and very encouraging events take place:
> Dan has began work on
> a controller, 2.S.S.I.C. is kicking butt, KillaCycle
> is getting more
> media coverage, Ian is doing great work evaluating
> batteries, Roderick
> and crew is in Sedona AZ with the EV Land Rover (we
> need pics and
> commentary of this event!), Rob Spencer's bar stool
> broke the
> Bonneville Salt Flats speed record, Bob Rice got
> back on the list, and
> that is not all.
> I apologize to the many I did not mention. I just
> wanted to point out
> that this is a very exciting time period and I want
> to say thanks to
> everyone making it all happen!
>
> Ken
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:40:20 -0700
From: "Will Beckett \(becketts\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger Adaptors
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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By the way, the Avcon adapter (has the diode and resister built in) from the
EAA Merchandise web page.

-Will

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ralph Merwin
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:56 AM
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger Adaptors


Coby,

You need the Avcon inlet.  You can buy these from Avcon directly at

http://www.avconev.com/

or from the EAA at

http://www.eaaev.org/eaamerchandise.html

(scroll down to ADAPT1)

The EAA also sells some used Avcon 'charging stations' that you could
use in your garage.

Ralph


Coby & Gabrielle Skye writes:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> Long time lurker, first time poster.  Currently working on a Geo Metro AC
> conversion, planning to install a Manzanita PFC 20 and was wondering where
I
> could procure an adaptor to make use of EV charging stations (i.e. AVCON
> type chargers).  Most times I will use my home 240 outlet in the garage,
but
> have an AVCON at work that I'd love to hook up to for free.  Thanks for
any
> tips.
> 
>           Sincerely,
>           Coby Skye
>           Long Beach, CA
> 
> 
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:38:56 -0700
From: "Will Beckett \(becketts\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger Adaptors
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Well, you will need more than the inlet because the Avcon charging station
will not turn on and supply 220 without the signal from the car.  This
signal is produced by a diode and resister on the car side.  A small DC
voltage is turned into a square wave by the diode and the amplitude of
square wave tells the Avcon charging station the type of batteries and what
current can be supplied.  Some charging stations will also turn off after a
minute of use if the charger is not power factor corrected.

-Will

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ralph Merwin
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:56 AM
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger Adaptors


Coby,

You need the Avcon inlet.  You can buy these from Avcon directly at

http://www.avconev.com/

or from the EAA at

http://www.eaaev.org/eaamerchandise.html

(scroll down to ADAPT1)

The EAA also sells some used Avcon 'charging stations' that you could
use in your garage.

Ralph


Coby & Gabrielle Skye writes:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> Long time lurker, first time poster.  Currently working on a Geo Metro AC
> conversion, planning to install a Manzanita PFC 20 and was wondering where
I
> could procure an adaptor to make use of EV charging stations (i.e. AVCON
> type chargers).  Most times I will use my home 240 outlet in the garage,
but
> have an AVCON at work that I'd love to hook up to for free.  Thanks for
any
> tips.
> 
>           Sincerely,
>           Coby Skye
>           Long Beach, CA
> 
> 
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:25:32 -0400
From: "Matt Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It's all good!
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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. . .or South Florida, for that matter! Thanks to Shawn Waggoner for getting
the venue confirmed at County Line Dragway.

Seems as if the East Coast/West Coast competition is in full swing already!

Matt Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of keith vansickle
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:23 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It's all good!

Hey Ken and all,
One more thing that is happening is the
www.electricdragin.com   Our goal is to have the
bigges blowout of electric racing and display of
alternative vehicles ever.  Plus you can see and drive
some of them, for sure watch the really fast ones. So
spread the word and register your vehicle it will be
worth the trip to san diego.
 

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have been so busy lately I haven't been able to
> respond to all the 
> great things going on. Lately there has been some
> truly exciting, 
> inspiring and very encouraging events take place:
> Dan has began work on 
> a controller, 2.S.S.I.C. is kicking butt, KillaCycle
> is getting more 
> media coverage, Ian is doing great work evaluating
> batteries, Roderick 
> and crew is in Sedona AZ with the EV Land Rover (we
> need pics and 
> commentary of this event!), Rob Spencer's bar stool
> broke the 
> Bonneville Salt Flats speed record, Bob Rice got
> back on the list, and 
> that is not all.
> I apologize to the many I did not mention. I just
> wanted to point out 
> that this is a very exciting time period and I want
> to say thanks to 
> everyone making it all happen!
> 
> Ken
> 
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:45:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunday Challenge - Pics
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Great shots
who had the Smart?  was it a Zap or conversion or
European import.  Nice PT cruser too.
how are things going for Jan?

--- "Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Slowly getting things up...
> 
> Here are some pictures from the event:
>
http://media.fsec.ucf.edu/photos/2238-Sunday-Challenge-2007/
> 
> More still to come.
> 
> Shawn
> 
> Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) wrote:
> > We are still working on getting the photos
> together to post to the 
> > website, however, I do have 2 videos I posted to
> YouTube. One is of me 
> > running our Prius through the Autocross and the
> second is of Andrew 
> > Roddy running his new AC Propulsion eBox (much
> more exciting...).
> > 
> > This was Andrew's first time ever in the autocross
> and he barely had a 
> > 100 miles on the car!
> > 
> > For your enjoyment:
> > Prius- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V-bBgNWXfI
> > eBox- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bbFmpcfChg
> > 
> > Shawn Waggoner
> > FLEAA
> > www.floridaeaa.org
> > 
> > Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) wrote:
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> The Sunday Challenge was held this past weekend
> at the Florida Solar 
> >> Energy Center (FSEC) in Cocoa Beach. The event
> was organized by FSEC, 
> >> FLEAA and the Florida Institute of Technology
> (FIT). Saturday was a 
> >> large demonstration of EVs, HEVs and other
> alt-fuel vehicles as well as 
> >> a fun packed autocross. Sunday was a road rally
> from FSEC in Cocoa to 
> >> FIT's campus in Melbourne about 34 miles away.
> >>
> >> On Saturday, several companies and individuals
> had vehicles on display. 
> >> Hybrid Technologies had 3 of their vehicles on
> display (a PT Cruiser, 
> >> Smart EV and a Mini Cooper), Andrew Roddy had his
> shiny new eBox from AC 
> >> Propulsion on display, Patterson Cycles had their
> beautiful electric 
> >> motorcycle, Charles Whalen had his RAV4EV and
> sleek new Vectrix cycle, 
> >> and South Plantation High School brought their
> solar car. There were 
> >> several EV conversions and lots of Hybrids from
> almost every 
> >> manufacturer there on display.
> >>
> >> After tech and safety inspections, the autocross
> started with 
> >> approximately 18 vehicles in the staging area to
> compete! The autocross 
> >> was ran by Cliff Rassweiler of ProEV (The
> electric Imp couldn't make 
> >> it...so everyone else had a chance at first!).
> Bob Salem was down in the 
> >> area and was happy to jump in and help with some
> of the timing. The 
> >> autocross field was made up of EVs and HEVs.
> Andrew Roddy's eBox was the 
> >> EV to beat that day and there was definitely a
> battle of the hybrids 
> >> going on as well. There was a new Saturn Aura,
> Honda Insight and first 
> >> and second generation Prius' on the course. In
> the end the Prius' were 
> >> battling for first and second with a Gen1 taking
> first and Gen2 in 
> >> second with the eBox a close 3rd. (There was only
> one 1st, 2nd and 3rd 
> >> place trophy for the autocross, regardless of
> class). There was lots of 
> >> great competition and  fun by everyone.
> >>
> >> Sunday brought some lousy weather and rain...and
> flooded roads. Not 
> >> enough to drown the spirits of the drivers
> though! The road rally 
> >> commenced as scheduled with everyone leaving FSEC
> on set intervals to 
> >> rally down to FIT's campus in Melbourne. The
> objective was to make each 
> >> checkpoint on the route on the exact time
> interval without speeding or 
> >> going to slow. There were vehicles from 3 classes
> enter: altered EV 
> >> (conversions), Production EV and Alt-fuel
> (hybrids/bio-diesel). Out the 
> >> field of cars, electric and hybrids, a cycle came
> in first. None other 
> >> than our own Charles Whalen on his new Vectrix
> took first place overall. 
> >> There was a winner of each class and one for
> overall.
> >>
> >> Complete results of the autocross and rally can
> be seen on the FSEC website:
> >>
> >>
>
http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/media/events/sundaychallenge/pdfs/SC_07_Scoring.pdf
> >>
> >> More info ont he Sunday Challenge and agendas can
> be found on the main page:
> >>
> >> http://www.sundaychallenge.org
> >>
> >> Congrats to everyone who made the event a success
> and helped out, but 
> >> chiefly to Bill Young of FSEC & FLEAA who made
> the event a reality and 
> >> huge success!
> >>
> >> (Pictures will be posted soon...)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Shawn Waggoner
> >> FLEAA
> >> www.floridaeaa.org
> >>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:56:38 -0700
From: Mark Dutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger Adaptors
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

How are people with PFC chargers and Brusa NLG5 series  Chargers  
doing this?  Could anyone who has used either of these provide any  
feedback as to the implementation?

Mark

On Oct 18, 2007, at 8:38 AM, Will Beckett ((becketts)) wrote:

> Well, you will need more than the inlet because the Avcon charging  
> station
> will not turn on and supply 220 without the signal from the car.  This
> signal is produced by a diode and resister on the car side.  A  
> small DC
> voltage is turned into a square wave by the diode and the amplitude of
> square wave tells the Avcon charging station the type of batteries  
> and what
> current can be supplied.  Some charging stations will also turn off  
> after a
> minute of use if the charger is not power factor corrected.
>
> -Will
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> On Behalf
> Of Ralph Merwin
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:56 AM
> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger Adaptors
>
>
> Coby,
>
> You need the Avcon inlet.  You can buy these from Avcon directly at
>
> http://www.avconev.com/
>
> or from the EAA at
>
> http://www.eaaev.org/eaamerchandise.html
>
> (scroll down to ADAPT1)
>
> The EAA also sells some used Avcon 'charging stations' that you could
> use in your garage.
>
> Ralph
>
>
> Coby & Gabrielle Skye writes:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Long time lurker, first time poster.  Currently working on a Geo  
>> Metro AC
>> conversion, planning to install a Manzanita PFC 20 and was  
>> wondering where
> I
>> could procure an adaptor to make use of EV charging stations (i.e.  
>> AVCON
>> type chargers).  Most times I will use my home 240 outlet in the  
>> garage,
> but
>> have an AVCON at work that I'd love to hook up to for free.   
>> Thanks for
> any
>> tips.
>>
>>           Sincerely,
>>           Coby Skye
>>           Long Beach, CA
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:02:02 -0400
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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   Great Shota as Keith sez! Makes ya want to winter in FLA? But with global 
warming it wasn't much colder when I got off the train in NYC from my LAST 
fla trip. Yes, Virginia you can STILL go to FLA by train!Seems like FLA is 
gunna be a new hotbed of EV activity, catching up to CA??Perfect conditions, 
I don't see anybody talking about EV heaters down there!

   NOW ,a delemma? Both CA and FLA are doing EV stuff at the SAME time! Time 
machine's in the shop, recall to the H. G. Well's Estate! How to choose 
between the two EVents. Would be cool IF they wrere a weak apart? Hop on the 
Sunset Limited to go to CA After BBB in FLA. REALLY get into training!

   Just a few thoughts.

   Bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "keith vansickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunday Challenge - Pics


> Great shots
> who had the Smart?  was it a Zap or conversion or
> European import.  Nice PT cruser too.
> how are things going for Jan?
>
> --- "Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Slowly getting things up...
>>
>> Here are some pictures from the event:
>>
> http://media.fsec.ucf.edu/photos/2238-Sunday-Challenge-2007/
>>
>> More still to come.
>>
>> Shawn
>>
>> Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) wrote:
>> > We are still working on getting the photos
>> together to post to the
>> > website, however, I do have 2 videos I posted to
>> YouTube. One is of me
>> > running our Prius through the Autocross and the
>> second is of Andrew
>> > Roddy running his new AC Propulsion eBox (much
>> more exciting...).
>> >
>> > This was Andrew's first time ever in the autocross
>> and he barely had a
>> > 100 miles on the car!
>> >
>> > For your enjoyment:
>> > Prius- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V-bBgNWXfI
>> > eBox- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bbFmpcfChg
>> >
>> > Shawn Waggoner
>> > FLEAA
>> > www.floridaeaa.org
>> >
>> > Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) wrote:
>> >> Hi Everyone,
>> >>
>> >> The Sunday Challenge was held this past weekend
>> at the Florida Solar
>> >> Energy Center (FSEC) in Cocoa Beach. The event
>> was organized by FSEC,
>> >> FLEAA and the Florida Institute of Technology
>> (FIT). Saturday was a
>> >> large demonstration of EVs, HEVs and other
>> alt-fuel vehicles as well as
>> >> a fun packed autocross. Sunday was a road rally
>> from FSEC in Cocoa to
>> >> FIT's campus in Melbourne about 34 miles away.
>> >>
>> >> On Saturday, several companies and individuals
>> had vehicles on display.
>> >> Hybrid Technologies had 3 of their vehicles on
>> display (a PT Cruiser,
>> >> Smart EV and a Mini Cooper), Andrew Roddy had his
>> shiny new eBox from AC
>> >> Propulsion on display, Patterson Cycles had their
>> beautiful electric
>> >> motorcycle, Charles Whalen had his RAV4EV and
>> sleek new Vectrix cycle,
>> >> and South Plantation High School brought their
>> solar car. There were
>> >> several EV conversions and lots of Hybrids from
>> almost every
>> >> manufacturer there on display.
>> >>
>> >> After tech and safety inspections, the autocross
>> started with
>> >> approximately 18 vehicles in the staging area to
>> compete! The autocross
>> >> was ran by Cliff Rassweiler of ProEV (The
>> electric Imp couldn't make
>> >> it...so everyone else had a chance at first!).
>> Bob Salem was down in the
>> >> area and was happy to jump in and help with some
>> of the timing. The
>> >> autocross field was made up of EVs and HEVs.
>> Andrew Roddy's eBox was the
>> >> EV to beat that day and there was definitely a
>> battle of the hybrids
>> >> going on as well. There was a new Saturn Aura,
>> Honda Insight and first
>> >> and second generation Prius' on the course. In
>> the end the Prius' were
>> >> battling for first and second with a Gen1 taking
>> first and Gen2 in
>> >> second with the eBox a close 3rd. (There was only
>> one 1st, 2nd and 3rd
>> >> place trophy for the autocross, regardless of
>> class). There was lots of
>> >> great competition and  fun by everyone.
>> >>
>> >> Sunday brought some lousy weather and rain...and
>> flooded roads. Not
>> >> enough to drown the spirits of the drivers
>> though! The road rally
>> >> commenced as scheduled with everyone leaving FSEC
>> on set intervals to
>> >> rally down to FIT's campus in Melbourne. The
>> objective was to make each
>> >> checkpoint on the route on the exact time
>> interval without speeding or
>> >> going to slow. There were vehicles from 3 classes
>> enter: altered EV
>> >> (conversions), Production EV and Alt-fuel
>> (hybrids/bio-diesel). Out the
>> >> field of cars, electric and hybrids, a cycle came
>> in first. None other
>> >> than our own Charles Whalen on his new Vectrix
>> took first place overall.
>> >> There was a winner of each class and one for
>> overall.
>> >>
>> >> Complete results of the autocross and rally can
>> be seen on the FSEC website:
>> >>
>> >>
>>
> http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/media/events/sundaychallenge/pdfs/SC_07_Scoring.pdf
>> >>
>> >> More info ont he Sunday Challenge and agendas can
>> be found on the main page:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.sundaychallenge.org
>> >>
>> >> Congrats to everyone who made the event a success
>> and helped out, but
>> >> chiefly to Bill Young of FSEC & FLEAA who made
>> the event a reality and
>> >> huge success!
>> >>
>> >> (Pictures will be posted soon...)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Shawn Waggoner
>> >> FLEAA
>> >> www.floridaeaa.org
>> >>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:29:32 -0700
From: EV Bones_LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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(forwarded to evdl list serve)

I mentioned a few days back on the S-10 list serve that a few 1997  
Chevrolet S-10EV trucks are being auctioned by GovLiquidation.

A total of three this month are coming out of Marietta GA. Links are  
below.

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398404

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398378

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398377

As usual, they're loaded with dead acid batteries, and may well have  
underlying issues.

More will be appearing over the next two months.

As always, I've no interest in purchasing these vehicles.

http://www.evbones.com



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:22:25 -0500
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Funny the pictures in the add show a gas engine????????

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Subject: [EVDL] Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned

(forwarded to evdl list serve)

I mentioned a few days back on the S-10 list serve that a few 1997  
Chevrolet S-10EV trucks are being auctioned by GovLiquidation.

A total of three this month are coming out of Marietta GA. Links are  
below.

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398404

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398378

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398377

As usual, they're loaded with dead acid batteries, and may well have  
underlying issues.

More will be appearing over the next two months.

As always, I've no interest in purchasing these vehicles.

http://www.evbones.com

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:34:59 -0400
From: Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chevrolet S-10EV trucks being auctioned
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Um, as an owner of similar truck, what I see in the pics looks like the 
top of an inverter bay to me. Factory built electric, and an open guess 
as to how many problems it may have.


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> Funny the pictures in the add show a gas engine????????
> 
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> http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398404
> http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398378
> http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1398377

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:19:54 -0300
From: Eduardo Kaftanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] charging a 48V pack with a 36V charger?
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> 
> One potential effect I see is the charging current may taper down sooner
> because those placeholder batts will have more resistance than the four good
> batts.  Is that a serious problem?  
> 

no comment on your approach.... but I bought a 48v 10amp charger
from a company called Kipoint in taiwan and including shipping and
customs I paid less than U$200. Its worked perfectly for a couple of
months while I load test the batteries (as you I am trying to recicle
donated batts) and while slow, its on-board-able.

Maybe you can try one. They appear on ebay spain and sometimes in ebay US.


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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:31:06 -0600
From: "Steve Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] BATCURE -- ?  real or not
To: "ev list - evdl - condensed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi all, I received this battery e-mail this morning.  Has anyone tried this,
or is this just the same-old-same-old not so miracle cure?

========================

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