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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: IGBTs PN -- IRGT1200F06 (Steve Hawkins)
   2. Re brakes (wayne alexander)
   3. Re: Motor housing machining (Roland Wiench)
   4. 10 year aniversary past for record setting Zinc-air run.
      (Lawrence Rhodes)
   5. 1,        043 mile record setting range on single charge 10 year
      aniversary        missed. (Lawrence Rhodes)
   6. The Zinc Air Battery & the Zinc Economy: A Virtuous Circle.
      (Lawrence Rhodes)
   7. Re: Solectria Sunrise Boston - NYC 10 year anniversary
      (David Roden)
   8. Battery dreams Off Topic (Paul Herman)
   9. Re: The Zinc Air Battery (David Roden)
  10. Re: sprocket for motor (Peter VanDerWal)
  11. Re: Motor housing machining (dave cover)
  12. NiMH powered Solectria Force (Peter Gabrielsson)
  13. Re: Electric EVette  at BBB? (Tom S.)
  14. Re: sprocket for motor (Alan Brinkman)
  15. MR2 Power steering pump questions (Tehben Dean)
  16. Re: Electric EVette at BBB? (Ben)
  17. Re: IGBTs PN -- IRGT1200F06 (Rod Hower)
  18. Re: MR2 Power steering pump questions (Grigg. John)
  19. Re: sprocket for motor (Rod Hower)
  20. New motor design will help the EV world! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:45:23 -0600
From: "Steve Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] IGBTs PN -- IRGT1200F06
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hi Rod,
Hmmmm, I picked that PN off the EDS box I had gotten a few years ago with
transistors.  I'll cross check it with the bad transistors I have; but the
two 1) original and 2) first generation PN data sheets are attached.  I
think either will work for me.  Let me know if you have any and I would be
happy to fund more of your projects in return.  Thx,  Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hower [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:40 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] IGBTs PN -- IRGT1200F06

Steve,
Are you sure that part number is correct? If these are
TEVan parts, I may have some.
Rod
--- Steve Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can anyone recommend sources for
> out-of-date/obsolete or NOS (new old stock)
> IGBT transistors? I am searching for several
> International Rectifier c1995
> PN IRGT1200F06 and cannot find anything anywhere.  I
> would think some outlet
> somewhere might have NOS electronics.  I want to
> re-try the original PNs on
> this particular project if at all possible.  Ideas
> welcomed, thx.
> 
>  
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:04:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: wayne alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Re brakes
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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DOT 5 , silacone brake fluid works best      waynbe ev-blue.com

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:07:11 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor housing machining
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>,     "Lee Hart"
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Hello Dave,

Go to a auto supply paint store, the one that supplies paint and finishing 
products to auto paint shops.  Ask them what you want to do and there are 
products that will work.  I had a a deep rusted pitted steel parts on a old 
classic car I was working on.

I use a very strong rust and paint removal that if you do not have a 
ventilation cleaning room for, you have to do it out side.  This is a 
aircraft grade removal that will start to smoke if you let the sun heat it 
up a bit.  Then you wash down the surface with a metal cleaner and then 
shoot it with E-coating.  A first coat that body shop painters put on bare 
metal.  Then applied a epoxy filler that can be thin down to a cream and 
wipe on all the pores.

Sand surface beginning with 80 grit and ending up with 400 grit.  Touch up 
areas with epoxy filler to the low spots that will show up.  Shoot a coat of 
epoxy primer and let dry as recommended, and then shoot it with epoxy paint.

All this paint can be mix up by these paint shops in a rattle can, so you do 
not have to have the body shop spray equipment.  One product that is close 
to the body shop coatings is the Rustolium paints.  I paint all my bare 
aluminum and some metal units with there stainless steel epoxy paints that 
require no primer.  Let set and then rub it into one direction with a very 
lite scotch pad which is the white one you can get at these paint stores. 
The surface now looks like brush stainless.

Or you can clear coat and sand and compound with 1500 to 2000 grit  to make 
it smooth as glass.

Roland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
<ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor housing machining


> Yeah, I guess there's only so much I can do with everything this motor
> has been through. The biggest problem is that the surface is so pitted
> that I can't get it clean enough just by sanding. I'm probably going
> to take the fields out of the housing and have it hot tanked. All
> those pits and grooves are holding nasty stuff that won't let the
> primer properly adhere. If I knew of a good local machine shop, I
> might ask them to skim a 32nd off, but that would still only clean up
> about 50 percent of the surface. Oh well, as you've pointed out, the
> perfect is the enemy ....
>
> Thanks for all the replies,
>
> Dave Cover
>
> On 10/23/07, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: dave cover
> > > I have an ADC 9" motor and need to know what I can do to the motor
> > > housing... can I machine 3/16" to 1/8" off of the outside of the
> > > motor housing without hurting the motor or messing up the performance?
> >
> > That's a lot of metal to remove just to make it look nice. I think I 
> > would just clean it up, paint it with POR-15 (a great primer for rusty 
> > metal), and put a final coat on that. I wouldn't try for a perfect 
> > appearance. Heck, the cast iron block of most ICEs is a lot worse!
> >
> >
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:32:02 -0700
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] 10 year aniversary past for record setting Zinc-air
        run.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-19133154.html This was done by a steel
vehicle in cold weather.  Much more amazing than NiMH.  Where is the
technology?  Lawrence Rhodes......



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:35:49 -0700
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] 1,      043 mile record setting range on single charge 10
        year aniversary missed.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
        SFEVA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-19530816.html
This was done more than 10 years ago.  Still the technology is not here.
Lawrence Rhodes....



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:46:36 -0700
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] The Zinc Air Battery & the Zinc Economy: A Virtuous
        Circle.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: SFEVA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://www.meridian-int-res.com/Projects/The_Zinc_Air_Solution.pdf



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:52:10 -0400
From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solectria Sunrise Boston - NYC 10 year anniversary
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 23 Oct 2007 at 0:00, Lee Hart wrote:

> Some were crash tested, some
> were kept by Solectria (James Worden still has one), and some were sold to
> real customers. 

This is true.  While they weren't mass-produced, they were indeed offered 
for sale.   In 1999, Solectria quoted a price of $210,000 - way out of my 
reach, but not too bad for a hand-built car.

BTW, last I heard, Worden also still had one of the first Forces, based on a 
1991 Geo Metro, as his daily driver.  He used to drive it to work every day, 
summer and winter, when he was at Solectria.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:10:01 -0400
From: Paul Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Battery dreams Off Topic
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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UTILITY GRID BATTERIES
Haunted by memories of blackouts and power reductions, utility and
battery companies are stepping up efforts to upgrade their substations
with larger batteries.
 
For instance, electric utility giant American Electric Power (Columbus,
OH) has ordered three multimegawatt battery systems, with the goal of
having 25 megawatts of storage in place by 2010, and 40 times that by
2020.
 
In a substation upgrade demonstration project in Charleston, VA, American
Electric Power deployed a sodium-sulfur battery the size of a double-
decker bus, plus power electronics to manage the flow of AC power in and
out of the DC battery. The battery, produced by NGK Insulators of
Nagoya,Japan, generates up to 1.2 megawatts for up to seven hours, easing
the strain on an overloaded substation.
 
American Electric Power hopes to leverage the capacity of the larger
storage  grids to harness renewable energy sources such as wind and solar
power. The company plans to connect its third two-megawatt battery system
to a group of wind turbines at an undetermined site. The company hopes to
find out whether batteries can smooth out short-term power flow
fluctuations from the turbines, which could eventually lead to utilities
absorbing larger levels of wind power on their grids.
 
Find out more at http://link.abpi.net/1.php?20071023A4
 
Paul Herman



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:59:48 -0400
From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] The Zinc Air Battery
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Zinc-air is a primary (non-rechargeable) battery.  Some people call them a 
variant of fuel cells - because they have to be replaced or "refueled" with 
new or reclaimed zinc.  

Aluminum can also be used.  ALCAN was involved in such an EV project with 
Unique Mobility about 15 years ago.  

I haven't yet read an analysis of the electrical efficiency of these 
batteries.  I suspect that reducing zinc oxide or aluminum oxide to metallic 
zinc is going to take a LOT of energy.  
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:31:35 -0700 (MST)
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] sprocket for motor
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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You can buy this sprocket for $5:
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007102311481526&item=1-2124-15-D&catname=

It will probably be a little bit too wide for your chain (it's an
industrial #50)

You can either grind it thinner, or (for a more professional appearance)
take it to a local machine shop and have them cut it on a lathe.
It's a quick and easy job so I wouldn't think it would cost more than
$10-$15.  Tell them what it's for and they might even cut you a deal.

>
> hi everybody
>
> i have just purchased a A00-4009 6.7 motor for my motorcycle conversion
> and i'm having trouble figuring out where i can get a sprocket from. i
> believe my motorcycle has a 525 chain on it and i measured the keyway
> width on the motor shaft to be 3/16". I need a 15 tooth sproket but it
> also needs to fit close to the front motor plate becasue of length
> issues...I don't know where to look. Anything will be really helpful..
>
> Tim Gamber
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:08:26 -0400
From: "dave cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor housing machining
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On 10/23/07, Roland Wiench <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Then applied a epoxy filler that can be thin down to a cream and
> wipe on all the pores.
>

Is the epoxy filler up to the temperature ranges the motor will
experience? Is there a specific brand? I asked about filling the holes
at the local NAPA and they didn't have anything to recommend. This
sounds interesting.

I just picked up another bag of play sand, so I'm all set for the
blasting part. The hardest thing is getting my taperlock hub off so I
can pull the motor apart. Those damn little allen head screws like to
bend when you tap them.

When will soon be now?

Dave Cover



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:10:38 -0700
From: "Peter Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] NiMH powered Solectria Force
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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This is the story of my friend Anil and the trials and tribulations
he's gone through in converting a Solectria Force to NiMH power.

http://www.electric-lemon.com/?q=node/273


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:01:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette  at BBB?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List
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Hi Jerry,

I hope I didn`t upset you to much, however we simply disagree, but thanks for 
being an adversary, it gives me a chance to make my case.  For those of you who 
would like to see the "EVette" the car will be on display in Orlando at the 
convention center for the Green Earth Expo, In May.

Tom Sines
-----Original Message-----
>From: jerryd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 22, 2007 9:11 PM
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette  at BBB?
>
>
>               Hi Tom and All,
>
>----- Original Message Follows -----
>From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List
><ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette  at BBB?
>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:53:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>
>>Hi Jerry,
>>
>>Its more like I won`t and you can`t. 
>
>        Translation, I'm scare for someone to drive it or
>drive it faster than 30 mph.
>
>
> Let me explain in
>>more detail, Putting batteries in conventional car will
>>never make it.  You need to make the car fit the batteries,
>>not make the batteries fit the car. 
>
>        And what does that have to do with handling? Nice
>changing the subject.  Building as an EV has little to do
>with your problems. Ending up crashing into oncoming
>traffic, lightpole, tree is.
>
>
>
> The EVette can hold up
>>to 40 batteries(although I don`t have that many in the car
>>at this time), an electric conversion can hold about 26 
>>batteries. 
>
>       Mine will only use 12 to get 100+ mile range. Why
>does yours need so many?
>
>
> Next, its about less amps, and more distance,
>>here again, the  EVette uses about 30amps at 30mph, and I`m
>>sure I can trim it a little more.
>
>      First it's about drag the EVette has too much of. But
>if you have to fight it to drive a straight line so I guess
>you don't need much range anyway. The Sunrise EV 4 passenger
>gets 100whrs/mile at speed. I'd bet if you can actually get
>to 70 mph safely, would easily take 250-350wthrs/mile due to
>such bad aero.
>
>
>
>  Next its about power,
>>the EVette has two motors twice the power.  next its about
>>extreme maneuverability, hence my challange.  I`m building
>>a secondary prototype at this time, if I can get a sponsor,
>>I would like to put two 11` motors, and two 2k Zillas in
>>the car, at that time I would be more than happy to play in
>>the dirt with you.  Make no mistake, this is a one of a
>>kind invention.
>
>     Extreme maneuverability is not an asset!! And more
>power won't help but hurt instead.
>     Your lack, refusal of independent testing shows you are
>scared of it as it would show  how bad the EVette really is.
>     You say you want to make EV's, how about making one
>that will actualy sell. Your present chassis could be redone
>into a Dymaxion style as another poster mentioned, aero,
>light, maneuverable but still tractable at speeds. Or one
>like mine, the best 3wh style in many ways especially
>safety. And have an excellent EV that would sell well I
>believe. I'd be happy to help with a new design for free as
>I want good EV's out there and you might be someone who
>could build them if you get a better design.
>     But yours, if one of many things from brakes, belts,
>motors, controllers, pot boxes, contactors, ect fail at
>speed, you crash which is not good for anyone.  
>      This is my last post on this. Be at the BBB for a real
>test or we know you are just hot air and your EV is a 1
>trick pony. 
>                           Jerry Dycus
>                          
>>
>>Tom Sines
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: jerryd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Oct 20, 2007 8:55 PM
>>>To: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle
>>>Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Subject: Re: [EVDL]
>>>Electric EVette  at BBB? 
>>>
>>>          Hi Tom and All,
>>>
>>>----- Original Message Follows -----
>>>From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette  at BBB?
>>>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:38:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>>
>>>>Hi Jerry,
>>>>
>>>>Your absolutely right, it is rigged, for people who drive
>>>>in the CITY,
>>>
>>>        People drive to get somewhere which means they
>>>rarely need to spin in circles!! If one does spin 180 it
>>>would be facing the wrong direction so your great
>>>manuverability is really a problem on the road, not an
>>>asset. 
>>>        An Auto-cross is an accepted way to judge a cars
>>>handling yet you seem to be scared of it missing at least
>>>3 chances to show it at the BBB's before. 
>>>
>>> and that is pretty much everybody.  I guess
>>>>what your saying is you know you`ll lose so you would
>>>>like to change the bet. 
>>>
>>>          What it means is I'm not a fool doing a useless
>>>test. It's rather hard to win when you are just allowed to
>>>follow. How about you follow me on a normal 20 mile
>>>commute route or better, an 80 mile Freeway route or
>>>better the range test at the BBB?
>>>          Of course you are afraid of actually having the
>>>Evette really tested judging by your actions in the past
>>>avoiding them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I really don`t feel like playing
>>>>around in the dirt with the EVETTE its to pretty, however
>>>
>>>        Translation, above 30 mph it gets really hairy.
>>>
>>>                            Jerry Dycus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I`m building a secondary prototype for just that purpose.
>>>>
>>>>Tom Sines
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: jerryd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>Sent: Oct 18, 2007 5:10 PM
>>>>>To: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric
>>>>>Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Subject: Re:
>>>>>[EVDL] Electric EVette  at BBB? 
>>>>>
>>>>>          Hi Tom and All,
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message Follows -----
>>>>>From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette  at BBB?
>>>>>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:14:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Jerry,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree, I think the EVette could go 30mph on less than
>>>>>>30amps, but still I doubt the average conversion can go
>>>>>>30mph at 30amps. 
>>>>>
>>>>>      But yours nor mine are conversions but built from
>>>>>scratch EV's thus have a large eff advantage over lead
>>>>>mine conversion type EV's. Mine should be in the
>>>>>60wthr/mile at 30 mph. Since yours is similar weight,
>>>>>about 1400lbs, size, that's what you should be aiming
>>>>>for. And there are conversions that also get about that,
>>>>>namely John Bryan's Ghia EV, much better than your
>>>>>consumption at that speed. Though switching to LLR tire
>>>>>should help you a fair amount. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I took the EVette to Moroso before BBB,
>>>>>>not much there for electric cars. 
>>>>>
>>>>>        I've wondered about why? I've heard about you
>>>>>for several yrs but never heard an independent test of
>>>>>the Evette. Why not?
>>>>>        The BBB with it's timed auto-cross course is an
>>>>>excellent place for you to show what it can do in front
>>>>>of EV'ers. Spinning in place is a cool trick but it's
>>>>>handling, stability in traffic that counts if it's to be
>>>>>more than a toy. If it can keep up with the faster EV's
>>>>>on the course would prove how good the Evette is. No?
>>>>>
>>>>>I live about 50mi. from
>>>>>>Moroso in Okeechobee.   I`m thinking of starting my own
>>>>>>competition in front of my home, city street laws only.
>>>>>>No driving on the wrong side of the road, no backing up
>>>>>>except to turn, no driving on the shoulder of the road,
>>>>>>no pealing rubber.  The idea would be to stay within 20
>>>>>>feet of the EVette going the same direction, if you win
>>>>>>I`ll buy lunch, if I win you buy.  None of my friends
>>>>>>that know the car would try it.  Call first.
>>>>>
>>>>>      That's  a rigged test as you know it is where as
>>>>>the Auto-cross course is a realistic one.
>>>>>      Another interesting test is at long range at 70mph
>>>>>on the interstate, at least for you as that's what mine
>>>>>is built for along with economical commuting, crash
>>>>>protection  and excellent handling. 
>>>>>      So let's bet lunch on who wins the Auto-cross
>>>>>between us?
>>>>>      
>>>>>                                       Jerry Dycus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tom Sines
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>From: jerryd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>Electric EVette  at BBB? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Hi Tom and All,
>>>>>>>                  Glad to hear it's running better and
>>>>>>>handles well. I'd have to say though 120wthr/mile
>>>>>>>isn't very good for 30 mph in your size  vehicle.
>>>>>>>                  So we can expect you at next yrs BBB
>>>>>>>for a run down the autocross course and range contest?
>>>>>>>                  For those planning vacations the BBB
>>>>>>>in late Jan around Palm Beach and a good reason to get
>>>>>>>out of the cold north.
>>>>>>>                                 Jerry Dycus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>Latest test, 30amps at 30mph, 120vdc, now thats more
>>>>>>>>like it.  Got new batteries, big difference.  I`ve
>>>>>>>>noticed some of you are a little afraid of the EVette
>>>>>>>>, well don`t worry, nobody is going to make you ride
>>>>>>>> in it. Did I mention, its possible to drive the
>>>>>>>>>EVette,by computer.  It seems to me, that would be a
>>>>>>>>>programmer`s dream!  Tom Sines
>>>>>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:11:56 -0700
From: "Alan Brinkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] sprocket for motor
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Tim,

What is the diameter of the motor shaft?  I am guessing that you have a
standard shaft with a key set up.  You mention that you have space or
alignment issues to get past so you may have to try several set ups to
get a workable sprocket, or move the motor a little.

The best connection to the motor shaft would be by using a tapered hub
and matching sprocket.  When assembled, the hub and sprocket squeeze
together as you tighten down the mounting bolts and put a great deal of
pressure on the shaft.  Coupled with a key and keyway, this is a good
way to connect.  You have to make sure the set up is assembled properly,
to allow the parts to be loosened and removed later.  Typically you
remove the bolts, and insert them in the "removal" locations, and when
rotated the bolts separate the hub from the sprocket and the pressure is
removed from the shaft and everything comes apart.  If you have room,
and patience to track down a matching set of parts, this is the way to
go.  Here are some quick examples from the web to give some ideas.  Keep
in mind that you need to mate back to your motor shaft on one end, and
the 525 chain on the other end, and the two pieces of the hub/sprocket
need to be of the same series so they mate up.  Here are some ideas or
examples of some of the pieces:
Martin 1008 is a series of matching parts, but your shaft is likely not
19mm like this one:  
http://cgi.ebay.com/Martin-1008-19MM-Tapered-Bushing-with-Set-Screws_W0Q
QitemZ300068679096QQihZ020QQcategoryZ42924QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZV
iewItem
E-bay item # 300068679096 if the link does not work.
Here is a matching sprocket from the 1008 series:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Martin-Sprocket-50BTB12-1008_W0QQitemZ7527493580QQih
Z017QQcategoryZ42924QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
E-bay # 7527493580
This is a 12 tooth sprocket.  You mentioned 15 tooth.  Most DC motors
need to spin fast for cooling, although you do not want to over speed
and destroy them. Consider the smallest sprocket here to keep the motor
running fast, as a very large rear sprocket (over the common sizes) is
hard to find and expensive.  If you need close to 15 teeth, here is a 14
tooth sprocket.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Martin-Sprocket-50BTB14-1008_W0QQitemZ7527713452QQih
Z017QQcategoryZ42924QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Item 7527713452 on E-bay.

Notice the 50 in the above part numbers.  Chain No. 50 is an ANSI
standard.  It most closely resembles 530 motorcycle chain.  Your 525
chain is close, very close, except your rollers on your chain are 5/16"
wide, and the 530 and 50 chains use 3/8" wide rollers.  A 525 chain on a
50 sprocket will not fit properly.  As another poster mentioned, you can
remove some width from the 50 sprocket, or you could replace your chain
and rear sprocket with 530 if available.  Below is the data on the
chains and sprockets you are using.
http://www.gizmology.net/sprockets.htm

If you do not have the width to use a tapered bushing set up, you could
find a one piece sprocket that has the correct hub size opening with a
keyway.  Typically these use one or two set screws to hold them onto the
shaft.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Browning-25B13-Steel-Sprocket-w-Set-Screw_W0QQitemZ3
00084028371QQihZ020QQcategoryZ41490QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
E-bay # 300084028371

I tried to get set up for a Harley belt style drive for my project but
the motor hub was either too bulky, or too expensive from custom work.
I am going with a chain now due to parts availability.

I have a 6.7" motor with a splined shaft with 13 teeth.  I got very
close to using a motorcycle sprocket that was close, but just a tad too
much wiggle.  I was going to machine in one area of the shaft for the
keeper to drop into, and that would have been a slick set up without
wasting a lot of space.  However, the fit was not tight enough, the hub
area was thin, and I thought that the 13 splines would wear our quickly
or break off.  I had a tapered hub machined to fit the shaft.

Alan 

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Tim Gamber
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:13 PM
To: post post
Subject: [EVDL] sprocket for motor


hi everybody

i have just purchased a A00-4009 6.7 motor for my motorcycle conversion
and i'm having trouble figuring out where i can get a sprocket from. i
believe my motorcycle has a 525 chain on it and i measured the keyway
width on the motor shaft to be 3/16". I need a 15 tooth sproket but it
also needs to fit close to the front motor plate becasue of length
issues...I don't know where to look. Anything will be really helpful..

Tim Gamber

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:12:29 -0800
From: "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] MR2 Power steering pump questions
To: "EV mail list" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I just bought an mr2 power steering pump from http://www.usedpartslive.com/

Does anyone have any recommendations on a fluid reservoir?

Also I thought I heard something about them needing a special fluid...
Is that true? or can I use regular power steering fluid?

Any other points would be appreciated also. :)

Thanks,
-- 
Tehben
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'hElix EV'
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:18:35 -0400
From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
To: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,       "Electric Vehicle Discussion
        List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Tom,

I started off defending you when your last update was attacked (few
weeks back). Now I'm puzzled. While some people have been a bit
negative about your vehicle, the fact remains that it is seldom
(ever?) demonstrated "in action," and you blatantly disregard any
requests to demonstrate or justify why you don't demonstrate.

You said Jerry is just helping you make your case ... To do that, you
would need to present some logical argument for why EVette hasn't been
demonstrated. You haven't even tried.

What do you have against participating in an autocross event? Like
others stated, it is primarily a showcase of driver skill and vehicle
handling. If the EVette performs as well as you state, and considering
you should be intimately familiar with how it handles, it should be a
stunning performance. Even if autocross isn't an event you have a
personal interest in, you can't deny that physically demonstrating the
handling characteristics that you describe would hush the naysayers.

If EVette doesn't perform as well as you say - perhaps an overlooked
design flaw, a part that didn't work as well as you expected, etc -
just say so. You've already demonstrated some great engineering
talent, and you've already said you're going back to the drawing board
for a new design - no shame in admitting that your first vehicle
didn't perform as well as you expected.

Whatever the situation, could you please respond directly, rather than
continuing to dodge these requests?

Ben

On 10/23/07, Tom S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> I hope I didn`t upset you to much, however we simply disagree, but thanks for 
> being an adversary, it gives me a chance to make my case.  For those of you 
> who would like to see the "EVette" the car will be on display in Orlando at 
> the convention center for the Green Earth Expo, In May.
>
> Tom Sines



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] IGBTs PN -- IRGT1200F06
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I'm in Houston on a business trip right now, but I'll
check Thursday after work and let you know what I
find.
Rod
--- Steve Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Rod,
> Hmmmm, I picked that PN off the EDS box I had gotten
> a few years ago with
> transistors.  I'll cross check it with the bad
> transistors I have; but the
> two 1) original and 2) first generation PN data
> sheets are attached.  I
> think either will work for me.  Let me know if you
> have any and I would be
> happy to fund more of your projects in return.  Thx,
>  Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rod Hower [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:40 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] IGBTs PN -- IRGT1200F06
> 
> Steve,
> Are you sure that part number is correct? If these
> are
> TEVan parts, I may have some.
> Rod
> --- Steve Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone recommend sources for
> > out-of-date/obsolete or NOS (new old stock)
> > IGBT transistors? I am searching for several
> > International Rectifier c1995
> > PN IRGT1200F06 and cannot find anything anywhere. 
> I
> > would think some outlet
> > somewhere might have NOS electronics.  I want to
> > re-try the original PNs on
> > this particular project if at all possible.  Ideas
> > welcomed, thx.
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:31:57 -0700
From: "Grigg. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] MR2 Power steering pump questions
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I use the reservoir from a Honda Accord 1994.  Works great and you can
get them from a junkyard for about $10...

John Grigg
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tehben Dean
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:12 AM
To: EV mail list
Subject: [EVDL] MR2 Power steering pump questions

I just bought an mr2 power steering pump from
http://www.usedpartslive.com/

Does anyone have any recommendations on a fluid reservoir?

Also I thought I heard something about them needing a special fluid...
Is that true? or can I use regular power steering fluid?

Any other points would be appreciated also. :)

Thanks,
-- 
Tehben
'90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
'hElix EV'
Website: www.helixev.com
evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:40:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] sprocket for motor
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I have several Nickel plated industrial chains that
are    new.  I can check the exact specifications on
Thursday if anybody is interested. $15 for
shipping/handling.
Rod
--- Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can buy this sprocket for $5:
>
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007102311481526&item=1-2124-15-D&catname=
> 
> It will probably be a little bit too wide for your
> chain (it's an
> industrial #50)
> 
> You can either grind it thinner, or (for a more
> professional appearance)
> take it to a local machine shop and have them cut it
> on a lathe.
> It's a quick and easy job so I wouldn't think it
> would cost more than
> $10-$15.  Tell them what it's for and they might
> even cut you a deal.
> 
> >
> > hi everybody
> >
> > i have just purchased a A00-4009 6.7 motor for my
> motorcycle conversion
> > and i'm having trouble figuring out where i can
> get a sprocket from. i
> > believe my motorcycle has a 525 chain on it and i
> measured the keyway
> > width on the motor shaft to be 3/16". I need a 15
> tooth sproket but it
> > also needs to fit close to the front motor plate
> becasue of length
> > issues...I don't know where to look. Anything will
> be really helpful..
> >
> > Tim Gamber
> >
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:58:50 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EVDL] New motor design will help the EV world!
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I have tested many motor designs and found that?its not all about rpm,s but 
torque that is the most important in any motor today.

?Having design my Gator Controllers and looking for more amps for more torque 
is not the answer.

What? is needs is to redesign the ac/dc motor, with a bigger armature having 
permanent magnets?in it.

This will have a diameter of say: 20inch with outer dc pulse field like advance 
step motor design.

This will do away with the speed controller and have a PWM without and IGBT or 
Mosfet.

The power output in torgue is unmatch by any dc/ac motor as smaller dc motor 
lose there torque at higher rpms?and have higher amps at start up, this new 
design would use less? amps and better torque output and it will reduce the 
rpms also.

Having reduce the weight about 50% compare to today motor would be the way to 
go.

I'm? not saying the best way, but its all about torque and not just rpms.

?

Tommey Reed

Rotarypistonengine.com

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