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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Optima Trials and Tribulations (John G. Lussmyer)
   2. Re: Optima Trials and Tribulations (Roger Stockton)
   3. Re: KillaCycle 7.82 @168 MPH!!!! (Joseph T. )


Message: 1
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:28:49 -0800
From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima Trials and Tribulations
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Ralph Merwin wrote:
> When I first tested the Optimas (July 2005), and possibly not correctly
> charged, they ranged between 25.5 AH and 39.6 AH.  I cycled the lower
> capacity batteries several times and the capacity increased to over 32
> amp hours for each battery.  I stopped cycling them once they were all
> over 32 amp hours, and I didn't cycle the higher capacity batteries at
> all.  
Thanks, I just wanted to be sure that the Spec Sheet rating for Reserve 
Capacity of 120 minutes was just the usual inflated value.
Sounds like you are getting 80-90 minutes just like I am.
> So, my thoughts on your pack are that the capacities are generally not
> bad, and that they may improve with a few cycles.  You may have a couple
> that are either in need of more attention or that just may be weaker.
Yup, there are 2 batteries I've recharged and am retesting now.  They 
were at about 1/2 capacity of the others.
(and supposedly new)
> The fact that your batteries won't hold the specified voltage after a
> full charge is worrisome.  This makes me think that the dealer may have
> pawned off some factory rejects as 'new' batteries.
> As a tangential data point, a customer I'm working with at work is from
> a major trucking company, and they use pallets of Optima group 31s.  I
> asked him about the rumors of lower quality Optimas now, and he said
> their failure rate is the lowest among the battery manufactures they
> work with.  He didn't say who other manufactures were.

The dealer I bought from told me the same thing.
BUT - how many of the people buying them for starting batteries would 
even NOTICE that it had only 1/2 the capacity it should have?  How 
likely is it that there are a LOT of under-spec batteries that the users 
just don't notice?


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:43:21 -0800
From: Roger Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima Trials and Tribulations
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John G. Lussmyer wrote:

> Has ANYONE else done reserve capacity tests on their Optimas?
> I'm just wondering if this is normal rating inflation, or if
> Optimas have really gone to hell.

I cycled all of the 20 blems Ralph donated to my EV project and after a bit of 
TLC they were all at 80-100% of spec (52Ah @ 25A).  I don't have access to that 
data at the moment so can't offer you some specific numbers.

I do have access to some capacity data for 12 of them when I got them ready to 
go into my EV (as I recall Ralph donated them about 1999 after they'd done 
about a year of service in his EV, and I installed them in my EV May 2005!):

The first 6 yielded between 31-42Ah @ 75A on the first cycle.  After a 4A for 
16hrs comissioning cycle, they yielded 34-42Ah @ 75A (the strongest battery did 
not improve at all due to the commisioning charge, but the other 5 all came up 
into the 34-38Ah range).

I don't have the initial capacities of the other 6, but after the comissioning 
charge they were in the range of 34-40Ah @ 75A (2 near 34, 2 near 38, and 2 
near 40).

This is data for *blems* that were on the order of 7 years old and which had 
sat largely neglected for about 6 of those years.

I'll send you .pdfs of those discharge cycles off list since I can't send 
attachments to the list.

Of course, since these are not "fresh" batteries, my observations probably 
won't help sway you from your view that Optima quality has slipped ;^>.




Message: 3
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:46:38 -0500
From: "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle 7.82 @168 MPH!!!!
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What an amazing run!

Imagine the quarter mile time with the super batteries! :)

On 11/11/07, Marty Hewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did you video the girl?
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle 7.82 @168 MPH!!!!
> > did you video the run?
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