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You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of EV digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Optima Trials and Tribulations (John G. Lussmyer) 2. Re: Optima Trials and Tribulations (Roger Stockton) 3. Re: KillaCycle 7.82 @168 MPH!!!! (Joseph T. ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:28:49 -0800 From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima Trials and Tribulations To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ralph Merwin wrote: > When I first tested the Optimas (July 2005), and possibly not correctly > charged, they ranged between 25.5 AH and 39.6 AH. I cycled the lower > capacity batteries several times and the capacity increased to over 32 > amp hours for each battery. I stopped cycling them once they were all > over 32 amp hours, and I didn't cycle the higher capacity batteries at > all. > Thanks, I just wanted to be sure that the Spec Sheet rating for Reserve Capacity of 120 minutes was just the usual inflated value. Sounds like you are getting 80-90 minutes just like I am. > So, my thoughts on your pack are that the capacities are generally not > bad, and that they may improve with a few cycles. You may have a couple > that are either in need of more attention or that just may be weaker. > Yup, there are 2 batteries I've recharged and am retesting now. They were at about 1/2 capacity of the others. (and supposedly new) > The fact that your batteries won't hold the specified voltage after a > full charge is worrisome. This makes me think that the dealer may have > pawned off some factory rejects as 'new' batteries. > > As a tangential data point, a customer I'm working with at work is from > a major trucking company, and they use pallets of Optima group 31s. I > asked him about the rumors of lower quality Optimas now, and he said > their failure rate is the lowest among the battery manufactures they > work with. He didn't say who other manufactures were. > The dealer I bought from told me the same thing. BUT - how many of the people buying them for starting batteries would even NOTICE that it had only 1/2 the capacity it should have? How likely is it that there are a LOT of under-spec batteries that the users just don't notice? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:43:21 -0800 From: Roger Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Optima Trials and Tribulations To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John G. Lussmyer wrote: > Has ANYONE else done reserve capacity tests on their Optimas? > I'm just wondering if this is normal rating inflation, or if > Optimas have really gone to hell. I cycled all of the 20 blems Ralph donated to my EV project and after a bit of TLC they were all at 80-100% of spec (52Ah @ 25A). I don't have access to that data at the moment so can't offer you some specific numbers. I do have access to some capacity data for 12 of them when I got them ready to go into my EV (as I recall Ralph donated them about 1999 after they'd done about a year of service in his EV, and I installed them in my EV May 2005!): The first 6 yielded between 31-42Ah @ 75A on the first cycle. After a 4A for 16hrs comissioning cycle, they yielded 34-42Ah @ 75A (the strongest battery did not improve at all due to the commisioning charge, but the other 5 all came up into the 34-38Ah range). I don't have the initial capacities of the other 6, but after the comissioning charge they were in the range of 34-40Ah @ 75A (2 near 34, 2 near 38, and 2 near 40). This is data for *blems* that were on the order of 7 years old and which had sat largely neglected for about 6 of those years. I'll send you .pdfs of those discharge cycles off list since I can't send attachments to the list. Of course, since these are not "fresh" batteries, my observations probably won't help sway you from your view that Optima quality has slipped ;^>. Cheers, Roger. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:46:38 -0500 From: "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle 7.82 @168 MPH!!!! To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What an amazing run! Imagine the quarter mile time with the super batteries! :) On 11/11/07, Marty Hewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you video the girl? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Frederiksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:58 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle 7.82 @168 MPH!!!! > > > > did you video the run? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > For subscription options, see > > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev > > > > _______________________________________________ > For subscription options, see > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ EV@lists.sjsu.edu For subscription options, see http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev End of EV Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28 *********************************