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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Thunder Sky Batteries (Sam Maynard)
   2. Re: UltraCapacitors (Morgan LaMoore)


Message: 1
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:25:26 -0800
From: "Sam Maynard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Thunder Sky Batteries
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <>
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Is this relevant to HQ patents?

Chromium-Flourine-Lithium?  Sounds like toothpaste for the mentally ill.

Then there's this chemical breakdown description:

Scroll to bottom and read the disclaimer on that last one.

Keeping other business practices as a separate issue, I'm at least
appreciative of an entity which cuts through the $$$ machinery that keeps
good technology out of the marketplace and unavailable.

-----Original Message-----
Of jukka
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Thunder Sky Batteries

I have to add here that the shitty cells we got were purchased in 2006. 
Last millenium ? Right.

Rich, how did you go around the HQ's patents on Iron Phosphate when the 
LFPs arrived to USA ? After all commercial products should obey some 
kind of standards in this too. Right ?

I know too an excellent source for the best Hollywood movies in DVDs. 
Just here in ShenZhen.. about 50 cents each.

TS has no issues with this in China since HQ patents are not valid 
there. In USA they are.



Message: 2
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:44:41 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] UltraCapacitors
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <>
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> > Ultracaps have worked very well in a parallel hybrid,
> > where the charge and discharge durations last from 7
> > to 20 seconds with power levels exceeding 150 kW.
> Wouldn't this apply only to a pseudo-hybrid - meaning the type where all the
> energy comes from fossil fuel?  It seems to me that a true ("plug") hybrid
> wouldn't benefit from using ucaps rather than batteries.  Am I missing
> something?

A plug-in hybrid could probably benefit from a mixture of batteries
and ultra-capacitors. The batteries store most of the energy and only
charge and discharge at 1C or 2C, and the ultra-capacitors store
enough energy to accelerate onto the freeway or regenerate quickly
down a hill, operating at extremely high max power rates.

-Morgan LaMoore


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