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   1. Re: Is it possible to charge and discharge at the same time?
      (Roger Stockton)
   2. Re: Importing EV to Canada (Dale Ulan)
   3. Re: Squealing DC DC converter (Dale Ulan)
   4.  High power charging ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   5. Re: High power charging (Keith)
   6. Re: High power charging (Keith)
   7. Re: High power charging (Keith)
   8. Re: Trying to find affordable source for electric power
      steerin   g pumps ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   9. Re: DC/DC with flexible pack voltage? (storm connors)
  10. Re: Battery Life (Jeff Shanab)
  11. Re: DC/DC with flexible pack voltage? (storm connors)
  12. Re: Is it possible to charge and discharge at the same time?
      (David Hrivnak)
  13. Re: Is it possible to charge and discharge at the same time?
      (Morgan LaMoore)
  14. Re: High power charging (Morgan LaMoore)
  15. Re: DC/DC with flexible pack voltage? (David Nelson)
  16. Nebraska (Rob Hogenmiller)
  17. Re: 240 volt breaker for 48v Safety switch.
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  18. Re: Nebraska ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  19. Re: High power charging ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  20. Re: High power charging (Dan Frederiksen)
  21. Zenn car bit on Canadian tv (John Downs)
  22. Evercel NiZn modules available (EVDL Administrator)
  23. Re: High power charging (Bob Rice)
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  25. Re: High power charging ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  26. Re: Controller Test ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  27. Re: Importing EV to Canada (Rich Long)
  28. Re: Importing EV to Canada (Rich Long)
  29. Re: Battery Specifications form electricvehiclesnow
      (EVDL Administrator)
  30. Fuse Identification - need help (Steve Powers)
  31. Re: Nebraska (Mike Chancey)
  32. Re: Curtis AC controller (Bruce Weisenberger)
  33. Re: Fuse Identification - need help (joe)
  34. Re: Fuse Identification - need help (Jeff Major)
  35. Re: Curtis AC controller (Jeff Major)
  36. Re: Fuse Identification - need help (Rod Hower)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:07:39 -0800
From: Roger Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Is it possible to charge and discharge at the same
        time?
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Morgan LaMoore wrote:

> Agreed, that is how a competently designed charger should
> act. He might not be using a competently designed charger, though.

Yes, this is possible.  I believe he is/was using a small 72V Soneil model, and 
it seems more likely to be competently designed than not: 
<http://soneil.com/Completesets/7203SR.pdf>.

In particular, it has over-current, and short-circuit protection, and 
regulatory approvals.  It is also noted that if the battery voltage sags below 
81.8V the charger will revert to CC @ 1.2A, though it is not completely clear 
if this condition is recognised anywhere during the charge cycle or only after 
the cycle has completed normally.

I continue to suspect that it is more likely that the charger is susceptible to 
the effects of controller generated EMI than to being loaded to full output 
current or beyond during CV operation.  It is reasonably common for a battery 
charger to be called upon to deliver full current in CV mode, so I suspect this 
is something that the designers are more likely to have taken into 
consideration than they are to have considered the charger being called upon to 
operate while something else puts rather large amounts of EMI onto the battery 
leads.

Either way, eliminating the micro and its software from the equation eliminates 
either failure mode ;^>

Cheers,

Roger.





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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:52 -0700
From: "Dale Ulan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Importing EV to Canada
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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GVWR will almost certainly be checked. Most insurance companies will not
insure a vehicle that is over GVWR. That actually makes lead or nickel
conversions a bit tough up here. At one time you could have an engineer
check over your modifications and sign off on a GVWR increase but that
loophole is now closed as of a few years ago; the OEM GVWR needs to be
observed. This also applies to chassis only applications (ambulance, tow
truck, hearse).

-Dale



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:55:57 -0700
From: "Dale Ulan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Squealing DC DC converter
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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If it's a constant pitch it's probably an inductor/transformer vibrating
at the switching frequency. High currents can make this squeal louder.
Just like the "Curtis squeal" caused by vibrating motor windings when
Curtis controllers switch at 1.5KHz. Curtii also squeal at 15KHz, but your
ears are much less sensitive (most adults can't hear 15KHz) and the motor
windings probably aren't as loud at this frequency.

Make sure your DC/DC isn't getting hot, and that it's operating within
specs (input voltage, ouptut voltage, output current). If they're OK then
you're fine.



Could be a loop stability thing. A 12V power supply should never overshoot
by that much!!! Insufficient loop bandwidth. It is either defective or has
a poor voltage control loop design.

The squealing may be poor control loop operation, or it could be normal
at light loads. At very light loads, the power supply can't deliver
a low enough amount of energy across the core, so the controller skips
cycles and you can hear it. It is actually doing exactly what a Curtis
does in its low frequency mode. Normally the frequency should be ultrasonic.
The overshoot is not normal, however. In theory, 12V electrical equipment
in a car should withstand an alternator load dump which is much more
energy than your SMPS is delivering. The converter probably would be ok
with an auxiliary battery. An alternative would be to add a lot of output
capacitance but it may take a lot to calm that thing down.

-Dale



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:01:33 -0500
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL]  High power charging
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Back in the days when EV's raced on the oval track here in Phoenix some
competitors used fast charging. I remember one case that was either SRP or
APS, our power companies, used a huge trailer mounted Cat diesel driving a
generator. When they fired it up to charge their NiCd powered car the 4"
stack blew a solid stream of exhaust!

I'd check with the airports as many of their tugs and baggage trucks are
electric.

The only one I can think of off hand is Norvik. SRP had a Norvik fast
charger that they used on my TEVan at one time. It's only 180V of 180Ah
Nicads but they charged it in 15 minutes.

Jim
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:14:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
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kEVs

On Jan 14, 2008, at 6:01 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Back in the days when EV's raced on the oval track here in Phoenix some
competitors used fast charging. I remember one case that was either SRP or
APS, our power companies, used a huge trailer mounted Cat diesel driving a
generator. When they fired it up to charge their NiCd powered car the 4"
stack blew a solid stream of exhaust!

I'd check with the airports as many of their tugs and baggage trucks are
electric.

The only one I can think of off hand is Norvik. SRP had a Norvik fast
charger that they used on my TEVan at one time. It's only 180V of 180Ah
Nicads but they charged it in 15 minutes.

Jim
'93 Dodge TEVan
'88 Fiero ESE
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:23:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
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If you come to Electric dragon you will see lots of different charging systemsI
Including 1 400v 3phase charger if you need fast

kEVs

On Jan 14, 2008, at 6:01 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Back in the days when EV's raced on the oval track here in Phoenix some
competitors used fast charging. I remember one case that was either SRP or
APS, our power companies, used a huge trailer mounted Cat diesel driving a
generator. When they fired it up to charge their NiCd powered car the 4"
stack blew a solid stream of exhaust!

I'd check with the airports as many of their tugs and baggage trucks are
electric.

The only one I can think of off hand is Norvik. SRP had a Norvik fast
charger that they used on my TEVan at one time. It's only 180V of 180Ah
Nicads but they charged it in 15 minutes.

Jim
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:23:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
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Cc: "ev@lists.sjsu.edu" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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If you come to Electric dragon you will see lots of different charging systemsI
Including 1 400v 3phase charger if you need fast

kEVs

On Jan 14, 2008, at 6:01 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Back in the days when EV's raced on the oval track here in Phoenix some
competitors used fast charging. I remember one case that was either SRP or
APS, our power companies, used a huge trailer mounted Cat diesel driving a
generator. When they fired it up to charge their NiCd powered car the 4"
stack blew a solid stream of exhaust!

I'd check with the airports as many of their tugs and baggage trucks are
electric.

The only one I can think of off hand is Norvik. SRP had a Norvik fast
charger that they used on my TEVan at one time. It's only 180V of 180Ah
Nicads but they charged it in 15 minutes.

Jim
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:43:40 GMT
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trying to find affordable source for electric
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:04:52 -0500
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] DC/DC with flexible pack voltage?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Perhaps I am missing something. Why would you want to run a dc/dc
while the pack is charging? Or while the car is not running? If the
dc/dc will handle the power requirements, the house battery will never
need much charging.

At the suggestion of Lee and some others on the list, I set up the
dc/dc to produce 14.7v only while the car is turned on. (I had
previously set it up to do 13.5v float all the time and was told that
was not a good idea.)

storm


 >
> Well, this is very interesting to me. I've been looking for a DC-DC
> but nothing seems to fit.Here are some round numbers. Currently I have
> 144 NiCads in my pack for a nominal voltage of 172. Empty would be
> around 144 volts and probably as high as 230 on charge.
>
> As soon as possible I want to increase my pack to as many as 300
> cells. This would put me in the 360 volt range. 300 volts empty to as
> high as 480 volts during charge. I'd prefer not to have to disconnect
> the DC-DC during charge, but I do have contactors for this purpose.
> The simpler the better.
>
> I don't know what a reasonable sag voltage is for NiCads, but let's
> assume I won't get into the pedal when the pack is too low. These are
> round figures for now, I don't have a lot of road time on the car. The
> only other request I have if for some smarts to protect the house
> battery. If the unit could throttle down at rest, that would be a
> bonus. I don't anticipate not having a house battery.
>


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:07:01 -0800
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Life
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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I would guess that an optimum is reached at a certain size plate AND
minimal interconnect length



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:09:50 -0500
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] DC/DC with flexible pack voltage?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I hooked the output of a laptop power brick up to a small $20  solar
controller and it charged a battery just fine.
storm

On Jan 11, 2008 11:07 AM, Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan Frederiksen wrote:
> > it's not unlike PSUs for PCs and they can do 60A 12V for around 50$ all
> > neatly assembled. there should be plenty of ways to reduce the 1200$
> >
> Umm.. that's a good point:
>
> http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=a1263950
>
> Who knows if it can deliver 600W on the 12V rail, but if it can't, use
> two.  It's $80.  It also gives you 3.3V and 5V if you want to do stuff
> with those outputs.  They might be baffled when you come back with your
> 3 year warranty claim every 3 months. :)
>
> But seriously, is there any reason why one of these, even with slight
> modifications, wouldn't work?  (Understanding that it won't charge a
> battery correctly.)
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:37:06 -0500
From: "David Hrivnak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Is it possible to charge and discharge at the same
        time?
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Thank you Roger.  The controller is not yet attached.  I was using the
contactor as an on/off switch just to see if it would work.  It did pull the
truck but I blew the 400 amp fuse I installed and it seemed like when the
fuse went the charger went at the same time.  The charger is under the back
seat and I could smell it just after the I heard the fuse pop.  I wrote
Soneil to see if they think it would work and I have not yet heard back.
Would a diode help isolate the charger and protect against back EMF?

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Roger Stockton
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:08 PM
To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Is it possible to charge and discharge at the same time?

Morgan LaMoore wrote:

> Agreed, that is how a competently designed charger should
> act. He might not be using a competently designed charger, though.

Yes, this is possible.  I believe he is/was using a small 72V Soneil model,
and it seems more likely to be competently designed than not:
<http://soneil.com/Completesets/7203SR.pdf>.

In particular, it has over-current, and short-circuit protection, and
regulatory approvals.  It is also noted that if the battery voltage sags
below 81.8V the charger will revert to CC @ 1.2A, though it is not
completely clear if this condition is recognised anywhere during the charge
cycle or only after the cycle has completed normally.

I continue to suspect that it is more likely that the charger is susceptible
to the effects of controller generated EMI than to being loaded to full
output current or beyond during CV operation.  It is reasonably common for a
battery charger to be called upon to deliver full current in CV mode, so I
suspect this is something that the designers are more likely to have taken
into consideration than they are to have considered the charger being called
upon to operate while something else puts rather large amounts of EMI onto
the battery leads.

Either way, eliminating the micro and its software from the equation
eliminates either failure mode ;^>

Cheers,

Roger.



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:51:41 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Is it possible to charge and discharge at the same
        time?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Oh, in that case, I would guess that when the fuse blew, the
inductance of the battery cables and the huge current caused a huge
voltage spike.

Yes, a diode would help protect it. You need a really beefy diode,
though. Wire the diode directly across the charger (since the charger
is what you're trying to protect from wire inductance), and orient the
diode so it doesn't short the charger in normal operation.

Alternatively, use a proper controller and don't get huge inductive
kick-backs on your circuit. A diode is still a nice protection
feature, though.

-Morgan LaMoore



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:56:26 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
        <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Jan 14, 2008 8:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only one I can think of off hand is Norvik. SRP had a Norvik fast
> charger that they used on my TEVan at one time. It's only 180V of 180Ah
> Nicads but they charged it in 15 minutes.

Only?!?! That's 130kW! I wonder how much that charger would cost!

-Morgan LaMoore



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:58:00 -0800
From: "David Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] DC/DC with flexible pack voltage?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Jan 14, 2008 7:04 PM, storm connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps I am missing something. Why would you want to run a dc/dc
> while the pack is charging? Or while the car is not running?

In the case of my Gizmo EV the DC-DC converter keeps the CD/Radio
memory and also allows my dome light setup to work without the key
being on and I believe it provides the initial 12V to engage wake up
the controller. I'm not 100% sure on this last item, however. I do not
have an auxiliary 12v battery.

-- 
David D. Nelson

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:49:16 -0600
From: "Rob Hogenmiller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Nebraska
To: "EV Posts" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
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I'm hoping, Lord willing to have an electric car in the future. I'd
like to build one out of a 944 Porsche, I have a local recycler of
Porsche parts in Nebraska about 30 miles from me. I was wondering if
there is anyone in Nebraska, Iowa, South Dakota, or Kansas that has
built an electric car that maybe I could ask to be a mentor or stop by
to view and ask questions maybe a few times a year. God bless



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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:13:44 -0800
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 240 volt breaker for 48v Safety switch.
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,      "Electric Vehicle
        Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=original

How about the Anderson Power Products (of the connector fame) QD model Quick 
Disconnect?  It isn't in their catalog but when I enquired last year they 
did say it is still available.  Good for 350 amps and models up to 72V.  It 
is a manual close, electrically held, spring open device.  Load breaking at 
2500 amps at 72 volts.  Holding coil voltages of 12, 24, 36, & 72 volts. 
Power leads in 2/0, 3/0, or 4/0 sizes.  I can forward the data sheet if 
interested as well as the email contact that told me I would need to order 
it direct from them as the distributors don't carry it.

John
The Skunk at http://www.evalbum.com/751

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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: [EVDL] 240 volt breaker for 48v Safety switch.


> The options for a safety switch for 8 golfcart batteries seems to be a 
> knife
> switch bought or made or would a 240 volt 400 ampAC breaker work safely?
> Seems no ev parts supplier has a 48v full pack amps safety disconnect. 
> This
> is what EVery electric vehicle needs for safety.  A switch that will 
> handle
> full pack voltage and amps.  Am I wrong and what will work for 8 golfcart
> batteries.  225ah US 125's.  Lawrence Rhodes...
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:18:15 GMT
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Nebraska
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:41:47 -0500
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Yes, but.. I'm sure the batteries weren't completely discharged and they
probably only charged to 80%. NiCd's are not very tolerant of heat and they
do heat up while being charged. And yes, those kind of chargers are
Expen$ive.

The TEVan has a Martin-Marietta charger that will accept up to 250V on any
two or three legs of the input. The later ones are a PFC charger with
selectable 20 or 40 Amp charge rates. They used them in the G-Vans also.

I won't part with mine but maybe there's a spare out there. I know some of
the TEVan's and also G-Vans have been scrapped.

Jim
'93 Dodge TEVan
'88 Fiero ESE
http://www.evalbum.com/804


Original Message:
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From: Morgan LaMoore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:56:26 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging


On Jan 14, 2008 8:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only one I can think of off hand is Norvik. SRP had a Norvik fast
> charger that they used on my TEVan at one time. It's only 180V of 180Ah
> Nicads but they charged it in 15 minutes.

Only?!?! That's 130kW! I wonder how much that charger would cost!

-Morgan LaMoore

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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:03:28 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging
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it might not help you but seems to me that for an electrical engineer it should 
be a relatively simple and cheap device to make in a bare version. 6 diodes 
will make rough DC out of the 3-phase AC, then after that it's more or less a 
high voltage low current motor controller which can be done with a buck circuit 
and some supporting components.
some 40A input on the 3 phase and around 100A out to the batteries.

maybe 20 cheap components and a bare minimum of inductor (not sure what the 
inductor would cost)

if you feel like putting together a bit of electronics we can try to hash out a 
simple circuit design. you might hear some say it's impossible and can't be 
done but just maybe they are wrong

Dan



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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:01:31 -0800
From: "John Downs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Zenn car bit on Canadian tv
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Canadian version of the Daily show interviews the makers of the zenn car and
describes the issues they are having with their govt. in getting their cars
approved for Canadian roads.

watch it to the end to see what a weeks worth of Canadian groceries looks
like, hilarious.


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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:19:00 -0500
From: "EVDL Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Evercel NiZn modules available
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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If interested in the following, DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE.  Contact 
information is contained in the body of the message below.

A member of the Elec-Trak mailing list, Harry Landis, has found a cache of 
old 40ah Evercel Nickel Zinc modules in unknown condition.  At one time 
these were hailed as The Battery We've All Been Waiting For, but then the 
company went bust.

Assuming these can be brought back to life, they might be good for a high 
voltage, moderate performance car.  

A member of this list who I don't think posts too often any more, John 
Pullen, built a 264v Honda Accord (?) conversion with these batteries around 
2001 or so, IIRC.  I don't think it's currently in service, though; maybe 
John could update us on that.  

Leo Galcher used them in a 120v (I think), 550a BMW conversion.  He was 
initially pretty happy, but I seem to recall that he had a lot of battery 
failures and eventually gave up on them.  That's why I don't think Evercels 
would be suited to a high current application.

Of course you wouldn't want to design an EV round these modules as they are 
"last of the breed" and when they're used up (rated cycle life : 500) most 
likely that's the end.

I'm including Harry's message below.  If interested DO NOT HIT REPLY as 
posting to this list will not reach the person with knowlege of the 
situation. Instead, contact Harry directly, the sooner the better.  Remove 
the _harry part of the following address and also change foo to com :

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Well, I went back today and looked at them again. They are indeed Evercells,
and from the dust on them, it looks like they have been sitting around for
four years. There are around 36 or so of them, although there may be more
available. 

I was told they were never used, because there was a problem with
the charger. Maybe that's why Evercell went broke. 

They are all discharged. Most of them are double batteries, made up of two 
of the one shown in these photos, stuck together side by side to make up 24V 
40AH. It sounds like they can be had for around $25 ea. I'm not sure if 
that's per single or per double battery. 

I got a couple of them to mess with. But I will be leaving in a couple of 
days for 6 weeks, so I won't have any answers before I get back. But the 
owner would like to unload them soon if possible, so if anyone is serious 
about getting a good portion of them, let me know and I will put you in 
touch. He probably won't be interested in selling just one or two. 

Photos here [tinyurl'ified to hide an email address in the paths - ed.]

http://tinyurl.com/yqw79o

http://tinyurl.com/yvjgam 

http://tinyurl.com/2foo6s 

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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:24:55 -0500
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Frederiksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging


> it might not help you but seems to me that for an electrical engineer it 
> should be a relatively simple and cheap device to make in a bare version. 
> 6 diodes will make rough DC out of the 3-phase AC, then after that it's 
> more or less a high voltage low current motor controller which can be done 
> with a buck circuit and some supporting components.
> some 40A input on the 3 phase and around 100A out to the batteries.
>
> maybe 20 cheap components and a bare minimum of inductor (not sure what 
> the inductor would cost)
>
> if you feel like putting together a bit of electronics we can try to hash 
> out a simple circuit design. you might hear some say it's impossible and 
> can't be done but just maybe they are wrong
>
> Dan
>
      Hi Dan an' EVerybody;

   Some of this stuff is ancient history. Bob Aronson, of Electric Fuel 
Propulsion of Detoilet fame had this worked out back on the 60's. He had a 
International Rectifyer, rectifyer power supply aboard the Mars 2 EV that 
would take on, 240 volts 3 phaze, knock it down to 120 volts to charge the 
car. Charge it would! Charge the HELL out of the car, IF you didn't baby sit 
it! With a simple 5 k pot you could crank on as much juice as you dared, 
like 300 amps fopr a short time! I remember forgetting a charge and BOILING 
the poor batteries so hot the tar MELTED between the cells. This was BEFORE 
the non replacable cells we are stuck with nowadaze! I THINK this thing was 
an off the shelf item from IR? About the size of a compact portable 
typewriter(Remember those?) The other thing he pioneered was the "Electric 
Car Expressway" Well, actually I-94 from Detoilet to Chicago, about 300 plus 
miles. Simply arranging with select Holiday Inns along the route about 50-70 
miles apart.  Anybody with an electric coulda joined in, the power plugs 
were 'round back of the HI's Now this was back in the early 70's. Iwould 
imagine the HI's pulled it out over the years?I looked for the setups on one 
of my Detroit -Chicago trips a few years ago. No luck, finding folks at the 
HI's that were ALIVE back then or could speak ENGLISH!! Like I could 
actually REMEMBER WHICH place they were, 40 years later. Too bad as they 
COULD be of use , nowadaze with EV's about to make a comeback. A 300 mile 
link, ALREADY in place. Hey? EAA Got yur ears on? Something YOU should be 
looking into?Contact Holiday Inns, Tell them I sentya!  and ASK, Maybe we 
could get a 240 volt drop out back? 3 faze, EVen. I would imagine that IR 
makes a smaller, more compact power supply, than we had back then?Since it 
WAS in place, YEARS ago.EVen a 2 car carport setup.Of course they used, I 
swear, the same plug configuration Amtrak uses, to feed power back to the 
train from the locomotives. BIG round rubber plug.You can see examples on 
about ALL US passenger cars.

    Soooo , nothing NEW here, the idea has been around awile. Getting it 
back in service is the issue!

    Seeya

    Bob






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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:26:20 -0500
From: "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Emailing: Specification form.doc
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 14 Jan 2008 at 11:03, John G. Lussmyer wrote:

> And the problem with Bottom posting is that the reply is WAY down at the
> bottom of the page.

Sorry, I'm on the bottom-posting side.  I think it's rather impolite of 
certain widely used email clients (and webmail systems) that they default to 
placing the entire message under your cursor.  As you type, it's pushed off 
the screen, so you're apt to forget about it.

Guess who was the leader in developing THAT trick.  Oh, never mind, I don't 
want to start a discussion about it.  :-(

One of the reasons I oppose bottom-quoting is that, whether left there 
deliberately or accidentally, it chews up a prodigious amount of EVDL 
bandwidth.  

For years I looked at ways to build an EVDL archive on a leased server.  One 
reason I never got there was the enormous storage requirement.  And part of 
the reason for the large storage requirement was this default of including 
the ENTIRE thread in each response (nothing short of horrendous for folks 
receiving the digest).  

That's the reason for the EVDL's semi-official quoting policy, noted here :

http://evdl.org/help/index.html#conv

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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 0:48:27 -0600
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Yeah for a single phase AC you probably want a buck-boost converter, and for 
3-ph just a buck should do it.  There are plenty of chip manufacturers who make 
voltage and current regulated ones.  But these don't provide isolation in 
themselves.  They make worlds smoother use of the AC mains and provide smooth 
DC output, and have voltage reg so they're pretty smart chargers in themselves 
even without a microcontroller to make charge states, but still they don't 
isolate.  

Unfortunately isolation involves the somewhat more complicated transformer 
architecture.  Really that's not rocket science, just involves some pretty 
hefty magnetic design and fabrication whereas buck or buck-boost can work from 
a fairly generic, off-the-shelf inductor chosen by the designer from a set of 
simple criteria.

Danny

---- Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Frederiksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] High power charging
> 
> 
> > it might not help you but seems to me that for an electrical engineer it 
> > should be a relatively simple and cheap device to make in a bare version. 
> > 6 diodes will make rough DC out of the 3-phase AC, then after that it's 
> > more or less a high voltage low current motor controller which can be done 
> > with a buck circuit and some supporting components.
> > some 40A input on the 3 phase and around 100A out to the batteries.
> >
> > maybe 20 cheap components and a bare minimum of inductor (not sure what 
> > the inductor would cost)
> >
> > if you feel like putting together a bit of electronics we can try to hash 
> > out a simple circuit design. you might hear some say it's impossible and 
> > can't be done but just maybe they are wrong
> >
> > Dan
> >
>       Hi Dan an' EVerybody;
> 
>    Some of this stuff is ancient history. Bob Aronson, of Electric Fuel 
> Propulsion of Detoilet fame had this worked out back on the 60's. He had a 
> International Rectifyer, rectifyer power supply aboard the Mars 2 EV that 
> would take on, 240 volts 3 phaze, knock it down to 120 volts to charge the 
> car. Charge it would! Charge the HELL out of the car, IF you didn't baby sit 
> it! With a simple 5 k pot you could crank on as much juice as you dared, 
> like 300 amps fopr a short time! I remember forgetting a charge and BOILING 
> the poor batteries so hot the tar MELTED between the cells. This was BEFORE 
> the non replacable cells we are stuck with nowadaze! I THINK this thing was 
> an off the shelf item from IR? About the size of a compact portable 
> typewriter(Remember those?) The other thing he pioneered was the "Electric 
> Car Expressway" Well, actually I-94 from Detoilet to Chicago, about 300 plus 
> miles. Simply arranging with select Holiday Inns along the route about 50-70 
> miles apart.  Anybody with an electric coulda joined in, the power plugs 
> were 'round back of the HI's Now this was back in the early 70's. Iwould 
> imagine the HI's pulled it out over the years?I looked for the setups on one 
> of my Detroit -Chicago trips a few years ago. No luck, finding folks at the 
> HI's that were ALIVE back then or could speak ENGLISH!! Like I could 
> actually REMEMBER WHICH place they were, 40 years later. Too bad as they 
> COULD be of use , nowadaze with EV's about to make a comeback. A 300 mile 
> link, ALREADY in place. Hey? EAA Got yur ears on? Something YOU should be 
> looking into?Contact Holiday Inns, Tell them I sentya!  and ASK, Maybe we 
> could get a 240 volt drop out back? 3 faze, EVen. I would imagine that IR 
> makes a smaller, more compact power supply, than we had back then?Since it 
> WAS in place, YEARS ago.EVen a 2 car carport setup.Of course they used, I 
> swear, the same plug configuration Amtrak uses, to feed power back to the 
> train from the locomotives. BIG round rubber plug.You can see examples on 
> about ALL US passenger cars.
> 
>     Soooo , nothing NEW here, the idea has been around awile. Getting it 
> back in service is the issue!
> 
>     Seeya
> 
>     Bob
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:16:36 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Controller Test
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hey guys, thanks for all that info. One more question. If one side of  
the motor goes to B+ and the other to M- what goes onto B- ? Is this  
just a way to reverse the direction of rotation? I assume then one is  
not used.

Still digging up how to properly and completely wire up the shunt  
Kaylor Motor setup. I am getting there. Slow small steps to be sure.

Thanks again,

Pete

I am going to go see if I can find some decent but used batteries for  
testing the series motors. Mostly for learning purposes for me.


On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:30 AM, gottdi wrote:

>
> Woops: here is the link:
>
> http://inertext.homeunix.com/electricghia/Electric%20Ghia/Golf% 
> 20Cart%20Controller.html
> Controller Photos
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> gottdi wrote:
>>
>> I have a controller that is rated 72v input and 550 amps out. It's  
>> an old
>> Golf Tech Industries Controller Model number GT2550. The posts are as
>> follows:
>>
>> In order:
>> Small:                 Large:
>>
>> Key                     B-         B+
>> Pot H
>> Pot L
>> Half Speed                        M-
>>
>>
>>
>> How does one go about testing one without putting high power to the
>> controller?
>> I do not understand the Half Speed connection.
>> What attaches to M-
>>
>>
>> Now to purchase a pot box.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> Here are the new photos of the controller to get an idea of my post.
>>
>> Any help would be great. I am thinking of using this controller  
>> with one
>> of my play toy motors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:33:23 -0500
From: Rich Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Importing EV to Canada
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 11:47 -0800, Metric Mind wrote:
> Pull a few easy to bolt on components out and supply them separately.
> Customer will bolt them in so legally he did (finalized) the conversion
> as far as authorities see (he could have hired you to start it).
> No different than if he imports gas car (this I suppose is no issue) and 
> converts it entirely there himself.


My Canadian customer called the Registrar of Imported Vehicles and was
told the bodywork including the VIN# is considered a vehicle not a part.
Therefore you couldn't get the body across the border.



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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:42:35 -0500
From: Rich Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Importing EV to Canada
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 16:15 -0700, Roland Wiench wrote:
> What happens if you drove your vehicle to Canada and sold it to some one 
> there?


My Canadian friend is afraid that he wouldn't be able to get it licensed
if the donor vehicle VIN# wasn't previously in the Registrar of Imported
Vehicles system.



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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:19:00 -0500
From: "EVDL Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Specifications form electricvehiclesnow
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On 14 Jan 2008 at 13:51, shred wrote:

> you can only
> take lead down to 50% without huge voltage sag and very negative effect on
> cycle life 

While holding lead batteries to 50% DOD does give the maximum amp-hour 
throughput over life, I probably wouldn't go so far as to say that deeper 
discharges have a "very negative" effect on cycle life.  Now, once you go 
beyond 80% DOD, then I'm with you.  

But then, maybe I'm reading more into "very negative" than you mean.

As for voltage sag, again perhaps this is a matter of expectations.  I don't 
consider it much of a problem in the 50% to 80% range, but I suppose someone 
who wanted strong  acceleration all the time might be less than sangine.

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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:00:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Fuse Identification - need help
To: ev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I have a 1994 KTA kit originally 9" ADC, 96 V / 400 A.
 Anyway, last night I blew the fuse - the original
one.  I put in a new controller - defective controller
and fortunately it blew the fuse.  There were a few
sparks.  Most of the damage is to the safety
disconnect which also sensed the high current and
started tripping back and forth.  Thats no good on the
contactor.  Anyway, the damage looks limited to the
safety contactor, fuse, and of course the defective
controller.  It was hooked up right.  I tested it and
it even free spun in the car for a few minutes
earlier.  Worked just fine until I backed it up and
tried to get out of the driveway.

Now, I need a new fuse and fast.  I don't recognize
the one in there.  It is pretty flat, maybe 1/2" in
thickness.  Looks like some laminated plates. 
Probably 400 Amps.  It's in its own fuse holder block,
so I want one that will fit.  I looked on various
websites, but they are all round centers.  I need flat
laminated plates.  I can't read the p/n.  Can anyone
help me id this fuse and locate one.  I'd really like
to move the car out of the way, so I need it pretty
fast.  Like order it today, get it by the end of the
week.

Thanks,

Steve


      
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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:45:14 -0600
From: Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Nebraska
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Rob Hogenmiller wrote:
> I'm hoping, Lord willing to have an electric car in the future. I'd
> like to build one out of a 944 Porsche, I have a local recycler of
> Porsche parts in Nebraska about 30 miles from me. I was wondering if
> there is anyone in Nebraska, Iowa, South Dakota, or Kansas that has
> built an electric car that maybe I could ask to be a mentor or stop by
> to view and ask questions maybe a few times a year. God bless

Hi Rob,

You might want to sign onto the Mid-America Electric Auto Association 
egroup on Yahoo, just visit http://www.maeaa.org and follow the link at 
the bottom.  We have members throughout the Midwest.

Thanks,

-- 
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:11:43 -0700
From: "Bruce Weisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Curtis AC controller
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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The AC controllers are available to the general public in the same manner
that standard Curtis controllers are available. You have to find a dealer
that will sell them. I found one in Phoenix a year ago. But decide to pursue
a different direction. Another source would be Forklift parts distributors
who supply the Forklift AC controllers and motors for the AC Forklifts. I
would think if asked nicely John Wayland our online Forklift Tech could even
tell us which companies make and their models of AC forklifts and maybe
where their suppliers are. Or maybe that is his next secret to unveil for a
future vehicle. Just teasing, I do not know John personally only on list
from his and Jim's stories. But he does know his forklifts. Or an AC Golf
carts distributors. Believe or not while we may not wish to admit it the EV
we are converting to today are really golf cart and forklift technologies
with few exceptions such as the Zilla and the AC controllers provided by
Electro auto and Metric mind. The other option would be to ask you EV parts
distributor to check into pricing of these controllers for you. As admitted
Thunderstruck-ev.com got a pair. But be prepared for sticker shock.


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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:19:54 -0800
From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fuse Identification - need help
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I have seen these - in fact I think I can lay my hands on some fairly 
quickly. E-mail me off -list.

Joseph H. Strubhar

Web: www.gremcoinc.com

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From: "Steve Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:00 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Fuse Identification - need help


>I have a 1994 KTA kit originally 9" ADC, 96 V / 400 A.
> Anyway, last night I blew the fuse - the original
> one.  I put in a new controller - defective controller
> and fortunately it blew the fuse.  There were a few
> sparks.  Most of the damage is to the safety
> disconnect which also sensed the high current and
> started tripping back and forth.  Thats no good on the
> contactor.  Anyway, the damage looks limited to the
> safety contactor, fuse, and of course the defective
> controller.  It was hooked up right.  I tested it and
> it even free spun in the car for a few minutes
> earlier.  Worked just fine until I backed it up and
> tried to get out of the driveway.
>
> Now, I need a new fuse and fast.  I don't recognize
> the one in there.  It is pretty flat, maybe 1/2" in
> thickness.  Looks like some laminated plates.
> Probably 400 Amps.  It's in its own fuse holder block,
> so I want one that will fit.  I looked on various
> websites, but they are all round centers.  I need flat
> laminated plates.  I can't read the p/n.  Can anyone
> help me id this fuse and locate one.  I'd really like
> to move the car out of the way, so I need it pretty
> fast.  Like order it today, get it by the end of the
> week.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
>
> 
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Message: 34
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:31:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fuse Identification - need help
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Steve,

Sounds like ANN-400.  See:  

http://www.waytekwire.com/index.htm  

Part Number  46186.

Jeff M

--- Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I need
> flat
> laminated plates.  I can't read the p/n.  Can anyone
> help me id this fuse and locate one.  I'd really
> like
> to move the car out of the way, so I need it pretty
> fast.  Like order it today, get it by the end of the
> week.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> 



      
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Message: 35
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:36:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Curtis AC controller
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--- Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The AC controllers are available to the general
> public in the same manner
> that standard Curtis controllers are available. You
> have to find a dealer
> that will sell them.

Try:  

http://www.alternativefuelsequipment.com/  

Jeff M


      
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Message: 36
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:46:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fuse Identification - need help
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Steve,
I think I also have those fuses in addition to the
contactor.
Rod
--- Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Steve,
> 
> Sounds like ANN-400.  See:  
> 
> http://www.waytekwire.com/index.htm  
> 
> Part Number  46186.
> 
> Jeff M
> 
> --- Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I need
> > flat
> > laminated plates.  I can't read the p/n.  Can
> anyone
> > help me id this fuse and locate one.  I'd really
> > like
> > to move the car out of the way, so I need it
> pretty
> > fast.  Like order it today, get it by the end of
> the
> > week.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>      
>
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