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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [OT] 17,000 Lithium Batteries to be replaced!
(Dan Frederiksen)
2. Re: LionEV (Glenn Saunders)
3. Re: Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A Wuzheng<g>!
(Morgan LaMoore)
4. Re: Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A Wuzheng<g>! (Ben)
5. Re: Lithium batteries availability (Marty Hewes)
6. Re: [OT] 17,000 Lithium Batteries to be replaced! (Chuck Homic)
7. Re: Electric 6 wheeler ATV, what do I need to do this? (JRP3)
8. Re: Electric 6 wheeler ATV, what do I need to do this? (JRP3)
9. Re: Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A Wuzheng<g>!
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10. Re: [OT] 17,000 Lithium Batteries to be replaced! ((-Phil-))
11. Re: Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A Wuzheng<g>!
(Peter VanDerWal)
12. Re: gas cap and pipe (Roland Wiench)
13. Re: Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A Wuzheng<g>! (Ben)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:35:46 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [OT] 17,000 Lithium Batteries to be replaced!
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SteveS wrote:
> www.ptsupply.com/pdf/avestor_Specsheet-SE48S80.pdf
>
> 20A max continuous discharge. Too bad.
>
>
yeah, well not necessarily a show stopper. that might just be the bms
attached to it which is often wussy. might be possible to just take it off.
if it can actually do 1C continuous and 2C burst it's back in business
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:43:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] LionEV
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If he has anything sort of documentation to vouch for what he ordered, he has
legal recourse and should pursue it. This is a business transaction between
two american parties, not a Thundersky deal.
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get rid of the car as damage control and move on.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:47:23 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A
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On Jan 17, 2008 11:29 AM, Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lee Hart wrote:
> > The website is for those contributing to and working on the project. It is
> > not intended for the general public.
>
> maybe it would find more good contributors if it was less secret
Any possible "good contributors" can just ask Lee and the others
questions before joining.
-Morgan LaMoore
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:50:38 -0500
From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A
Wuzheng<g>!
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I agree with Dan on this - consider it constructive criticism. The
list is mostly aware that you are doing good things, but you'll
attract more of the general public if you try and sell your project
some, and let everyone know what the contributions would go towards.
Ben
On Jan 17, 2008 12:29 PM, Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lee Hart wrote:
> > The website is for those contributing to and working on the project. It is
> > not intended for the general public.
> >
>
> maybe it would find more good contributors if it was less secret
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:41:44 -0600
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries availability
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Speaking of battery availability, I expect to be spending most of April in
Hong Kong and China, we're going over for the Hong Kong Electronics show and
the Canton Fair (3 million sq. ft. of suppliers of everything imaginable, my
feet hurt just thinking about it). Although I'm no battery expert, I might
be able to gather some information from, or visit the facilities of a
battery/motor/controller supplier or two.
If we want to put together a list of most promising contacts, I'll see what
I can do while I'm there.
Marty
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:01:26 -0500
From: Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [OT] 17,000 Lithium Batteries to be replaced!
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(-Phil-) wrote:
>
> I wonder if we can organize a "group salvage" and pick up the old ones for
> "recycling"? =)
>
>
I agree that if they're decommissioning them due to risk of explosion,
the odds of their lawyers letting you buy a dozen are slim.
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:10:59 -0800 (PST)
From: JRP3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric 6 wheeler ATV, what do I need to do this?
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The specs for the Gorilla don't say exactly what the motor is, but it's
putting out 8.5hp at 36 volts at 5000RPM
http://www.gorillavehicles.com/GorillaSpecifications.htm
With batteries it's about 550lbs and can carry a 450 lb load which puts it
in the range of my project vehicle. Interesting.
JRP3 wrote:
>
> Thanks, I'll look up the specs on the Gorilla.
> John
>
>
> Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>>
>> I am not too sure of what details to recommend, but having driven a
>> Gorilla once or twice, it seems like quite a feasible project -- the
>> Gorilla is only 36 volts, but has tons of torque (can move a tandem
>> axle trailer with a car on it around the flat), and has so much
>> takeoff torque that I found it hard to not throw gravel out the back
>> when starting from a stop.
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2008 6:45 AM, JRP3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm contemplating an electric conversion of an AATV such as a Max, Argo,
>>> Attex, etc.
>>> http://www.maxatvs.com/
>>> They weigh around 700lbs, use anything from a 16-25hp briggs type motor,
>>> and
>>> a T-20 skid steer transmission and chain drive to the wheels. I'd be
>>> happy
>>> with 15 mph top speed and an hour or so of run time. I was considering
>>> an
>>> etek type motor or a D&D,
>>> ( http://www.electricvehiclesusa.com/product_p/mo-es-33.htm )
>>> at 48 volts but don't know if that would be enough motor for my
>>> requirements. Attex made an electric one in the early 70's with a GE
>>> motor
>>> and claimed 4 hours run time with 6 6 volts.
>>>
>>> http://www.6x6world.com/images/brochures/Electric-Attex%20-six-wheeler-1.jpg
>>> http://www.6x6world.com/images/brochures/Electric-powerred-attex-6x6-amphibious-atv-2.jpg
>>>
>>> I don't need that much run time but I will need to haul a small trailer
>>> with
>>> a few hundred pounds of wood up a 50 foot hill occasionally. What are
>>> your
>>> thoughts?
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:18:58 -0800 (PST)
From: JRP3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric 6 wheeler ATV, what do I need to do this?
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Yeah speed is not a real goal for me, though I won't complain if it can move
out. I'd love lithiums and I'm in no real hurry, I'm still shopping for
the donor vehicle, not to mention all the electrical components and the
knowledge to put them all together correctly ;) I just dont know if they
are in the budget, plus it might be safer for me to play with lead on my
first EV. Cheaper to replace if I kill them. It could probably work out
with an Etek but a more bullet proof motor might be a good thing for me. I
tend to "test" the capability of machinery.
John
Dan Frederiksen-2 wrote:
>
> I'm guesstimating the Etek to be around 40-50% power of the ADC6.7" that
> Lee Hart uses in his 1045kg lead sled (more than 3 times yours) and he
> does well over 100km/h in his without it breaking a sweat. he could
> probably do 200km/h or more with the right juice to motivate it. to get
> more out of the motor maybe use a bit more voltage than 48 but then
> again that means it can go fast and that might not be good in that 6
> wheeled suicide attempt. I'm hunching that the Etek would be similar in
> performance to the combustion versions. possibly better.
>
> as for batteries, of course lead is available but maybe keep lithium in
> mind. hopefully the batteries will arrive at Hooper soon so we can
> confirm if they live up to their specs but there are some prospects on
> the horizon if you don't have to be done by tomorrow
>
> Dan
>
> JRP3 wrote:
>> I'm contemplating an electric conversion of an AATV such as a Max, Argo,
>> Attex, etc. http://www.maxatvs.com/
>> They weigh around 700lbs, use anything from a 16-25hp briggs type motor,
>> and
>> a T-20 skid steer transmission and chain drive to the wheels. I'd be
>> happy
>> with 15 mph top speed and an hour or so of run time. I was considering an
>> etek type motor or a D&D, at 48 volts but don't know if that would be
>> enough motor for my
>> requirements.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:34:52 -0800
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A
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I disagree, The project is known and if you have read about it then
you can go ask yourself. Other wise they will be pounded with
unreasonable questions by hecklers and nay sayers that it would
become counter productive. When they have a viable product to sell
then they need to make some more prototypes that are working and then
invite the general EV and NonEV community to be part of the project.
Until then keep it as is.
I am actually surprised that you even considered opening it up to the
general public with all the chatter about bogus companies trying to
drum up business and then they go away with your money.
Keep it private and if your for real you can join.
Pete : )
On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Ben wrote:
> I agree with Dan on this - consider it constructive criticism. The
> list is mostly aware that you are doing good things, but you'll
> attract more of the general public if you try and sell your project
> some, and let everyone know what the contributions would go towards.
>
> Ben
>
> On Jan 17, 2008 12:29 PM, Dan Frederiksen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Lee Hart wrote:
>>> The website is for those contributing to and working on the
>>> project. It is not intended for the general public.
>>>
>>
>> maybe it would find more good contributors if it was less secret
>>
>>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:32:22 -0800
From: "(-Phil-)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [OT] 17,000 Lithium Batteries to be replaced!
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Well, you set up a "Recycling Center" for them. ;-)
-Phil
http://evalbum.com/1413
On Jan 17, 2008 11:01 AM, Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree that if they're decommissioning them due to risk of explosion,
> the odds of their lawyers letting you buy a dozen are slim.
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:48:53 -0700 (MST)
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A
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I dissagree.
I HATE it when people advertise EVs for sale before they even have a
working prototype. 99 times out of a hundred the EV never makes it into
production.
Of that last 1, most of the time the project runs into delays, etc. and
doesn't make it to market when originally projected. This just generates
hurt feelings and animosity.
Assuming Lee has enough funds to progress (and I assume he does) then I
don't see the value in widescale advertisement until it's ready for
production.
> I agree with Dan on this - consider it constructive criticism. The
> list is mostly aware that you are doing good things, but you'll
> attract more of the general public if you try and sell your project
> some, and let everyone know what the contributions would go towards.
>
> Ben
>
> On Jan 17, 2008 12:29 PM, Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Lee Hart wrote:
>> > The website is for those contributing to and working on the project.
>> It is not intended for the general public.
>> >
>>
>> maybe it would find more good contributors if it was less secret
>>
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:55:26 -0700
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] gas cap and pipe
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Hello Mike,
I remove the gas tank and use this access to plug in my AC power cord
connection. I made a water tight enclosure for the plug and connector. The
plug and connector is a watertight unit made by the Daniel Woodhead Company.
It is a inline connector for connecting two cables together and you can lay
it right on a wet ground.
When the gas cap door is open without a gas tank, all there is a large void
and you can see the ground. The first thing I did was to go to a electrical
supply house or Home Depot to pick up a large 2 gang cast aluminum hinge
cover that is normally use over a 30 to 60 amp 250 receptacles.
I do not use a receptacle because the receptacles are female type and the
receptacle on the EV should be a male type. I use a water tight cable male
connector that is place behind this cover. The cable connector has a large
screw type cable connector for attaching and weather proofing the cable
entrance.
To hold and enclosed this inline cable connector to the back of the cover. I
had a 4 inch diameter aluminum pipe cut about 6 inches long and had a 1/4
inch thick aluminum plate welded on the back side for closing one end of
this housing. A large hole is saw hole into this plate, for inserting the
cable screw connector that is about the size as a 1-1/2 conduit. After the
cable connector is install in this connector, the cable is pull through this
rear enclosure hold and than the sealing cable not is slid on to the cable
and is tighten to the connector which now wholes it to the connector and
housing.
The male cable connector should be recessed into this enclosure by 1 to 2
inches. Another 1/4 inch thick aluminum square plate with a large 4 inch
hole saw into it, and is welded to the front of this enclosure. It is size
and drill to fasten on the 2 gang cast hinge cover to it.
The cast hinge cover is not directly bolt to it. You must support this
enclosure behind the gas door opening. To do this, you take a piece of flat
10 gage metal that is about 4 inches wide and the length you need to span
the space, so you can mount either one end or both ends to a frame member of
the vehicle. Again hole saw a 4 inch hole in this metal and drill four
mounting holes that match the hinge cover.
Sandwich this support bracket between the hinge cover and the housing. Be
sure you install gaskets on both sides of the mounting plate.
Another way to install a AC power plug input, is to install this same 2 gang
cover on a very large deep cast aluminum box design for this cover and a
male receptacle. Note, the cable end that you plug in should be a female
type, which has no expose connections and the receptacle on the vehicle is a
male type.
This type of connector=receptacle is a special order unit, and it was easier
for me to pick up a standard inline plug and connector which is always in
stock and install it into a housing I made up my self.
I attach the hinge cover of the receptacle cover to the hinge cover of the
gas door, so both will open at the same time. A water tight micro switch
with a long push rod which is about 2 inches long is attach behind the gas
gap door, which is use to de-activated the 12 volt ignition controller start
up circuit, so you do not drive away with the cord is connected.
I use a 1 pole 2 position micro switch that has one NO and one NC contact.
Connect up the 12 volt ignition circuit to the NO contact which normally
opens when the gas doors opens.
Roland
You sandwich this
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From: "m gol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: [EVDL] gas cap and pipe
> What creative things have people done with the gas cap, and fill pipe?
>
> My first conversion I didn't think about it because I removed it along
> with
> the bed of the truck.
>
> I am working on the Chevy Metro, and I've thought of removing everything
> because of the weight.
>
> I've been running the cord out the front of the vehicles, like everyone
> else
> in this town.
> Sometimes you don't want to draw attention to yourself.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Golub
> Fairbanks AK
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:56:11 -0500
From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A
Wuzheng<g>!
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On Jan 17, 2008 3:48 PM, Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I dissagree.
>
> I HATE it when people advertise EVs for sale before they even have a
> working prototype. 99 times out of a hundred the EV never makes it into
> production.
> Of that last 1, most of the time the project runs into delays, etc. and
> doesn't make it to market when originally projected. This just generates
> hurt feelings and animosity.
>
I wouldn't want Lee to advertise EVs for sale before he's ready - just
give some information about the project, his goals, some progress
updates. That's all. Evidently the community is pretty strongly
against him posting any sort of worklog for the public.. Surprises me,
but no sense in arguing about it. Still hoping to hear a response from
Lee (when he has time).
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