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Today's Topics:

   1. NYT - Israel Is Set to Promote the Use of Electric Cars
      (Peri Hartman)
   2. Re: Zagato wiring. (Cor van de Water)
   3. Re: Lockheed Martin signs agreement with EEStor (Cor van de Water)
   4. Re: Brake Line Lockers (Peter Oliver)
   5. Re: KW=amps (Doug Weathers)
   6. Re: Question from My brother, why EV? (EVDL Administrator)
   7. Lubricating bearings (should I) on my ADC 9" (Steve Powers)
   8. Re: [OT] Will the Volt save GM? (Dan Frederiksen)
   9. Re: NYT - Israel Is Set to Promote the Use of Electric Cars
      (Dan Frederiksen)
  10. Re: NEDRA SC/A competitinon (was Re: S10 racing at Firebird)
      ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  11. Re: NYT - Israel Is Set to Promote the Use of Electric Cars
      (Bob Rice)
  12. Re: Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger EV
      Conversion Project) (Chuck Homic)
  13. Re: Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger EV
      Conversion Project) (Mark Eidson)
  14. Re: Lubricating bearings (should I) on my ADC 9" (Jim Husted)
  15. Re: Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger EV
      Conversion Project) (Morgan LaMoore)
  16. Installing a motor temp monitor (damon henry)
  17. Breaker Directions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  18. Israel Goes Electric (Jim Waite)
  19.  LionEV conversion demo - "Ranger DIY" (Steve Condie)
  20. Re: Lockheed Martin signs agreement with EEStor
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  21. Solar charge controller as DC/DC (JS)
  22. Re: Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger EV
      Conversion Project) (nicklogan)
  23. Re: Electric Dragin  Weather (keith vansickle)
  24. Re: Solar charge controller as DC/DC (Evan Tuer)
  25. Re: LionEV conversion demo - "Ranger DIY" (Dan Frederiksen)
  26. Re: Solar charge controller as DC/DC (Lee Hart)
  27. Re: Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger EV
      Conversion Project) (MIKE WILLMON)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:51:33 -0800
From: "Peri Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] NYT - Israel Is Set to Promote the Use of Electric
        Cars
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Very encouraging article.  Pasted into email since NYT require setting up 
accounts to browse articles on line.

New York Times
By STEVEN ERLANGER
Published: January 21, 2008

JERUSALEM - Israel, tiny and bereft of oil, has decided to embrace the 
electric car.

On Monday, the Israeli government will announce its support for a broad 
effort to promote the use of electric cars, embracing a joint venture 
between an American-Israeli entrepreneur and Renault and its partner, Nissan 
Motor Company.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, with the active support of President Shimon 
Peres, intends to make Israel a laboratory to test the practicality of an 
environmentally clean electric car. The state will offer tax incentives to 
purchasers, and the new company, with a $200 million investment to start, 
will begin construction of facilities to recharge the cars and replace empty 
batteries quickly.

The idea, said Shai Agassi, 39, the software entrepreneur behind the new 
company, is to sell electric car transportation on the model of the 
cellphone. Purchasers get subsidized hardware - the car - and pay a monthly 
fee for expected mileage, like minutes on a cellphone plan, eliminating 
concerns about the fluctuating price of gasoline.

Mr. Agassi and his investors are convinced that the cost of running such a 
car will be significantly cheaper than a model using gasoline (currently 
$6.28 a gallon here.)

"With $100 a barrel oil, we've crossed a historic threshold where 
electricity and batteries provide a cheaper alternative for consumers," Mr. 
Agassi said. "You buy a car to go an infinite distance, and we need to 
create the same feeling for an electric car - that you can fill it up when 
you stop or sleep and go an infinite distance."

Mr. Agassi's company, Project Better Place of Palo Alto, Calif., will 
provide the lithium-ion batteries, which will be able to go 124 miles per 
charge, and the infrastructure necessary to keep the cars going - whether 
parking meter-like plugs on city streets or service stations along highways, 
where, in a structure like a car wash, exhausted batteries will be removed 
and fresh ones inserted.

Renault and Nissan will provide the cars. The chairman of both companies, 
Carlos Ghosn, is scheduled to attend the announcements on Monday. Other 
companies are developing electric cars, like the Tesla and Chevrolet Volt, 
but the project here is a major step for Renault, which clearly believes 
that there is a commercial future in electric cars.

Israel, where the round-trip commute between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem is only 
75 miles, is considered a good place to test the idea, which Mr. Agassi, 
Renault and Nissan hope to copy in small countries like Denmark and crowded 
cities like London, Paris, Singapore and New York. London, which has a 
congestion area tax for cars, lets electric cars enter downtown and park 
free.

Project Better Place's major investor, Idan Ofer, 52, has put up $100 
million for the project and is its board chairman. He will remain chairman 
of Israel Corporation Ltd., a major owner and operator of shipping companies 
and refineries. "What's driving me is a much wider outlook than Israel," Mr. 
Ofer said. "If it were just Israel, I'd be cannibalizing my refinery 
business. I'm not so concerned about the refineries, but building a 
world-class company. If Israel will ever produce a Nokia, it will be this."

Mr. Ofer has his eye on China, with its increasing car penetration, oil 
consumption and environmental pollution, where he has interest from a 
Chinese car company, Chery, for a similar joint venture.

Renault will offer a small number of electric models of existing vehicles, 
like the Megane sedan, at prices roughly comparable to gasoline models. The 
batteries will come from Mr. Agassi. The tax breaks for "clean" electric 
vehicles, which Israel promises to keep until at least 2015, will make the 
cars cheaper to consumers than gasoline-engine cars. "You'll be able to get 
a nice, high-end car at a price roughly half that of the gasoline model 
today," Mr. Agassi said.

He contends that operating expenses will be half of those for 
gasoline-driven vehicles, especially in Europe and Israel, where gasoline 
taxes are high. The company, and the consumers who use it, will normally 
recharge their batteries at night, when the electricity is cheapest, and 
they expect the batteries to have a life of 7,000 charges, though Mr. Agassi 
says he is counting on only 1,500 charges, which is roughly 150,000 miles, 
the life of the average car.

"Because the price of gasoline fluctuates so much during the life of a car, 
it's hard to predict the cost basis for driving," Mr. Agassi said. "But 
electricity fluctuates less, and you can buy it in advance, so I can give 
you a guaranteed price per mile, cheaper than the price of gas today."

Mr. Agassi predicts that a few thousand electric cars will be on Israeli 
roads in 2009 and 100,000 by the end of 2010; Israel has two million cars on 
the road, and about 10 percent are replaced each year.

Mr. Agassi suggested this model for the electric car - concentrating on 
infrastructure rather than on car production - at a 2006 meeting of the 
Saban Forum of the Brookings Institution, which Mr. Peres attended. He was 
enthralled by the idea.

Mr. Peres, who is sometimes dismissed as a dreamer by more cynical Israelis, 
has in the past embraced and helped to develop some successful notions - 
like Israel's nuclear weapons program. He is a strong believer in Israel's 
mission to better the world, he says, and not simply sell arms to it. Israel 
is the 11th-largest arms exporter, as measured by dollar sales, according to 
the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

Mr. Peres, who knew Mr. Agassi's father, said in an interview that after 
hearing Shai Agassi speak: "I called him in and said, 'Shai, now what?' I 
said that now is the time for him to implement his idea, and I spoke to our 
prime minister and other officials and convinced them that this is a great 
opportunity."

"Oil is becoming the greatest problem of our time," Mr. Peres said in an 
interview in his office. Not only does it pollute, but "it also supports 
terror and violence from Venezuela to Iran."

"Israel can't become a major industrial country, but it can become a daring 
world laboratory and a pilot plant for new ideas, like the electric car," he 
said.

Mr. Peres sees this project as part of his "green vision" for Israel, 
arguing that what the nation may lose in tax revenue it will save in oil. He 
also supports a larger investment in solar power, saying that "the Saudis 
don't control the sun."

Mr. Ofer wants profits, but also thinks the project will help the 
environment, especially in developing countries. "China is on a very 
dangerous march from bicycles to cars without any notion of what they're 
doing to this planet in terms of air," he said.

And in Mumbai, he said, "you can't even see the sky."

James D. Wolfensohn, the former World Bank president, is a modest investor 
in the project.
"Israel is a perfect test tube" for the electric car, he said. "The beauty 
of this is that you have a real place where you can get real human 
reactions. In Israel they can control the externalities and give it a chance 
to flourish or fail. It needs to be tested, and Agassi is to be commended 
for testing it and the Israeli government for trying it."




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:00:39 -0800
From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zagato wiring.
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,      "Electric Vehicle
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Huh?
What happened to wheel chocks?
If necessary, tie a hefty rope to the car and a tree.
Use a 12V battery or less to try the motor to avoid
over-revving with unloaded rear end.
Even better - remove the motor from the car so you can
bench-test it without crashing anything.... 


Cor van de Water
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Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 6:48 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Zagato wiring.

The Zagato has a rear mounted motor on the axle with gear reduction.  It has 
three traction wires going to the motor.  The main contactor is wired to the 
positive(black wire to the motor) & another positive goes to the reversing 
contactors Battery negative goes to the same reversing contactor. The other 
reversing contactor has the two other motor wires hooked to it(green & white). 
.  I somehow have to figure out how to put full voltage to the motor.  I want 
to keep the reversing contactors but lose the two speed contractor controller.  
I somehow think the forward in first speed is running parallel with full 
voltage & the main contactor is used to go full voltage.  I can't really 
experiment as it is a direct drive & I don't want it flying out of my grasp.  
We are on a hill so we can't jack it up.
Lawrence Rhodes.....

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:00:38 -0800
From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lockheed Martin signs agreement with EEStor
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Bill,

That is not the way that the laws of physics work.
Think about it: if you reduce the thickness of the layer
between the two plates of the capacitor to half, then
you would need to cut the voltage in half to maintain
the same field strength (Volt/meter) between the plates
in the dielectricum of the capacitor, right?
So - the energy is cut into 1/4 because of the squared V.

Now think about the capacitor value:
- half the distance between the plates means double the capacitance
- half the thickness means you can pack twice the nr of plates
  in the same volume, so you double the capacitance again.
Result is that you have 4 times the capacitance and half
the voltage, which means that the energy is identical.

====> as long as you keep the same field strength and the same
*volume* of dielectricum and the same dielectrical material, you 
will preserve the amount of energy stored!

I will make a side-note that quantum-mechanics can severely
impact this for layers which get too close to the side of an
atom to still adhere to the traditional laws of physics.

My guesstimate why they choose 3.5 kV was that they did not dare to
make the layer any thinner for the risk of it becoming too brittle
as well as the increase in current may require a thicker plate
material, which would reduce the effective amount of dielectricum
per volume, or give much larger losses.
It could also be that given their chemical process, they arrived
at a certain dielectricum thickness that was hard to alter, so
they simply accepted that as a given and specified the voltage
for the type of capacitor that they could make with their
optimal process...

So, in practice there are trade-offs, which have nothing to do with
the basic law of energy for a capacitor's voltage and capacity,
as you quoted.

BTW - anybody know which department of LM is going to run with
the Eestor? I'd like to understand if they are working on this 
technology at only a stone throw from my daily commute - I might
alter my course some day.
Since my EV can accept up to 700V DC input, I'd like to hear
what kind of DC/DC is available for the Eestor.
Even a straight 1:6 bi-directional DC/DC may be sufficient to
extract the majority of the power from the Eestor and allow a
real fast re-charge at the 20 KW that my controller supports
(actually the controller can go higher, the 3-phase inductor
is the limiting factor, it is already almost a foot long
transformer core!)
Also the regenerative braking can make full use of the Eestor's
capability to take a large burst of power without the problem that
a typical lead-acid battery shows when you hit it with 100 to 200A
of charge current.... Ask me how I know.

FYI, my EV is documented at http://evalbum.com/694

Regards,

Cor van de Water
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Dennis
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:19 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lockheed Martin signs agreement with EEStor

S Collins wrote:
> Sure sounds too good to be true.
>
>   
There was much discussion on the EVDL about this a year or two ago, including 
skepticism about whether EEStor could make this work in an EV environment.  The 
viability of their product depends on their ability to make a very thin, highly 
pure barium-titanate dielectric for their capacitors, and  to make it stand up 
inside the rigors of an EV.  The other  small complication is that their 
capacitor runs at 3500 volts.  
The voltage cannot be reduced because that's how the capacitor gets its high 
energy density, which is based on the square of the voltage  (1/2 * C * V * V). 
 It will make for some interesting controllers and/or chargers and/or dc-dc 
converters.

Bill Dennis

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:25:39 -0800
From: "Peter Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Brake Line Lockers
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Here is some feed back on the "Microlock" from 2000 so the systems may have
been updated since then

http://www.thedieselstop.com/archives/ubbthreads/1999EandD/forums.thediesels
top.com/archives/showflat.php-Cat=&Number=216863&page=14&view=collapsed&sb=5
&o=&fpart=1.htm

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Brake Line Lockers

You can get a manual line lock unit anywhere that supplies tow truck parts.
I 
believe they are marketed under the name "Microlock". Installed in the 
hydraulic line, you simply apply the brakes, flip the lever and your brakes
are 
locked. Flip again and off ya go. Simple and cheap to install and no 
electricity to operate. 

Quoting storm connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I was thinking of augmenting my parking brake by installing a line
> locker on the front brake line. In looking at the specs, they say not
> to activate the lock for more than 30 seconds. Is this because the
> solenoid will overheat? Anybody know how much juice the lockers draw?
> 
> Perhaps I should look for a manual lock instead of a solenoid operated
one?
> 
> -- 
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:33:18 -0700
From: Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KW=amps
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On Jan 21, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Jack Riggi wrote:

> am working on a
> altinator that put out 7kw and around 245 amps, just trying to see how 
> many
> amps it take to go around 55.

It sounds like you are trying to use an alternator as a motor for an 
electric vehicle, and you want it to be able to travel at 55 mph.  Is 
that correct?  If so, we can now take a stab at helping you.

To move a vehicle at a certain speed on a flat road takes a certain 
amount of power.

In the USA we normally measure the power of our vehicles in units of 
horsepower.  In the rest of the world they use watts, but they're 
basically the same thing - power.  Coincidentally, we also use watts to 
measure the power output of electrical devices, like heaters and 
amplifiers and electric motors.

Since hp and watts are both units of power, there's a conversion factor 
that you can use to convert between them, like we can convert between 
inches and centimeters (both units of length).  One horsepower = 746 
watts.

Now, if you can get a feel for how many horsepower it takes to move 
your vehicle at 55mph, you can figure out how many watts your motor 
needs to be able to produce.  (That's cruising horsepower, not top 
horsepower.  A 300hp Corvette doesn't use all 300 of those horses to 
travel 55mph.)

If you need 30hp, you need 30 times 746 = 22,380 watts or 22.38 
kilowatts.

To look at it another way, 7kw divided by 746 = 9.38 horsepower.  The 
top speed you'll get in a car with a 7kw electric motor is the same top 
speed you'll get in the same car with a 9.38hp  gas motor in it.

> Not even sure how many volts I will be useing
> yet.

Now we can talk about volts and amps.

It's easy.  One watt is one volt times one amp.  To figure the watts a 
device can output, multiply together the amps and volts it's using.  
For example, if an electric heater is plugged into a 120 volt outlet 
and using 10 amps of current, it's producing 1200 watts of heat.

Power doesn't equal amps.  Power doesn't equal volts.  Power equals 
amps TIMES volts.  Both are important.

Using the example of your 7kw alternator, you said it can produce 245 
amps.  7000 = X volts times 245 amps.  X equals 7000 divided by 245, 
which is 28.57 volts.  So to stay within 7kw with a current of 245 amps 
your voltage must stay at or below 28.57 volts.

If you raise the volts to 70, you have to drop the amps to 100 to keep 
within the 7kw limit.  Raise the amps to 700, you need to drop the 
volts to 10.

Of course, in the real world, nothing is perfect.  You probably can't 
make that alternator produce 1 volt at 7000 amps, something will melt 
before very long, even if it's rated at 7kw.  Furthermore, you will 
lose some power because nothing is perfectly efficient, so you'll get 
less kilowatts of torque out than the math says you will.  The missing 
kilowatts show up as waste heat.

Most alternators are not very efficient, by the way, so you'll actually 
produce rather less than 9.38 hp when you try to run it at 7kw.  You'll 
get a lot of heat instead of the torque you wanted.

Anyway, it doesn't look good for a car.  It might work for a really 
light vehicle, like a motorcycle.

Hope this helps,

Doug

--
Doug Weathers
Las Cruces, NM, USA
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:02:14 -0500
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Careful, folks.  Better to stay away from the nuclear power discussion.  It 
usually turns into an argument, and that for naught, since nobody changes 
his mind.

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:49:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Lubricating bearings (should I) on my ADC 9"
To: ev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I am hearing some noise at high RPMs.  It might be
bearings or resonance from my 300 Hz (EV-1)
controller.  What is the best course of action?  I'm
not sure if the bearings need lubrication, or what to
use.  It isn't bad, but I don't want to do any damage
to the motor.

Steve


      
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:58:04 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [OT] Will the Volt save GM?
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(-Phil-) wrote:
> http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/editorials/general-motors-death-watch-161-the-emperors-old-clothes/
>   

looks like an incoherent rant itself. for instance that GM can't lead 
'advanced propulsion' is not true. stick an electric motor and some 
batteries in a car and you are ahead of everyone else. not exactly 
difficult. a compact genset and you have what should be in all cars. easy



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:41:37 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] NYT - Israel Is Set to Promote the Use of Electric
        Cars
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interesting, but where is mr Agassi (a former tennis player :) going to 
get the batteries?
7000 cycles sounds like it might be Altair (the company that doesn't 
make batteries..)

it certainly could work but exchangeable batteries to me means a custom 
car that since no specific car has been shown sounds like it's a ways 
off yet.
should be interesting to see how they figure battery exchange should 
actually work. maybe they'll just stick to the more reasonable 
recharging scheme

Dan



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:12:14 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] NEDRA SC/A competitinon (was Re: S10 racing at
        Firebird)
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Mike,

The MG 62 Chevy will be running at BBB this weekend in the PS/A2 class.

Shawn


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Subject: [EVDL] NEDRA SC/A competitinon (was Re: S10 racing at Firebird)



Thanks for the great explanaition John. But I wouldn't worry about it 
too much
longer.  What I intended to mean is that once I can beat 12.1's I'll be 
throwing
the stock ( Ford 8") rear end to the wolves in an attenpt to to dispute 
 your
record by **beating it **  :-)

Although if I were to argue to the board, it would be that a record 
holding car
that pushed a rule change for a new class should be moved to that new 
class
record and all.  However the time is better spent just working on the 
car ;-)
So in all reality your 11.466 record was you beating your 12.151 
record.  You
shouldn't beat yourself up so much John ;-)  I mean racing against 
yourself
just so you have someone to beat, I would expect something like that 
from a
motor guy, or someone who plays with lighter fluid ;-P  Back to my 
point
though.... so between the 12.151 and the 11.466 times I think the only 
thing you
changed was the battery chemistry.  right?  So the car that pegged 
11.466 was
the same car that previously held the 12.151 record.  And to that end, 
but not
to take anything away from the 12.151 race car, I would argue that your 
record
stood and you yourself beat it.

With all that said I'm always one for a challange though.  And my 
intent from
the official start of my Pinto project (1 year and 1 day ago today) was 
to beat
your 12.151 record.  And I still intend to do that, with a car 
conforming to the
current SC/A rules.  So hold onto it for now, or lobby to give it back. 
 It
really makes me no difference for me.  I'll get 'er there in time and I 
don't
have to worry about you "dropping back" with a quick rear axle swap 
back to
stock to take it.    Just wondering by the way... what was the stock 
rear-end in
that car.  Did you sacrifice it to experimentation, or was it the old 
chopped 9"
from the start?

Anyway... a little rambling now...I didn't intend to start any 
conflicts.  I see
I missed a chance to respond to Dennis a while back about him 
mentioning
Smokescreen would be running SC class and just wanted to clear it up my 
intent.
To bad I don't see any more SC class competitors coming up the line.  
If there
are any out there make yourself known ;-P  I do look forward to keeping 
up with
the Smokescreen in the PS class.  Since Dennis is giving us 1500 lbs I 
gotta
take advantage of that!!   All his experience should be worth about 
1500 lbs of
welding gear in the truck to me the newbie ;-O

I also too was wondering if Matt's Joule Injected has been heard from 
recently?
Maybe at BBB?
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: [EVDL] S10 racing at Firebird
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>

> Hello to Mike, Dennis, and All,
>
> Dennis had written some time ago:
>
> >***My mistake,I meant I will be racing in the MC class and PS
> >class,although
> >I do see a vech. with a 9 inch ford rear in the SC class with a
> record.>
> >
>
> Mike Willmon wrote:
>
> >Yes Dennis, I intend to dispute it...once I can beat it ;-)
> >
> >>>
> >>>
>
> For those not quite following what these two are talking about,
> I'll
> make it clear. It's about White Zombie's SC/A record that was set
> 'before' the revamping of the class rules last year, a record of
> 12.151
> @ 106.25 that still stands as the official record. This record is
> justified, accurate, and deserved. That said, I totally agree with
> both
> Dennis and Mike.
>
> The new class 'PS' for 'Pro Street' was developed specifically
> because
> of my car, White Zombie. The rules committee agreed that although
> WZ
> was/is entirely street legal, it had/has become something 'more'
> over
> time. Everyone, including me, acknowledged that certain items had
> become
> part of the car in my never-ending quest to keep pushing the
> limits...stuff that an otherwise more normal street EV probably
> wouldn't
> have as merely a very quick street car. A racer's specific custom
> rear
> axle, the non-factory Ford 9 inch racer's rear end with Detroit
> Locker,
> 31 spline axles, and such are all items installed to mostly keep
> the car
> from breaking stuff 'at the track'.
>
> As a result of trying to make it more fair for others to design,
> build,
> and race their street legal EVs, a brand new set of rules were
> agreed
> upon that prohibit certain 'race specific' parts to be used in the
> new
> SC class. At the same time, the brand new PS class was developed
> that
> would allow the use of these items, plus other track specific
> items not
> previously allowed in the SC class like racing slicks, fender
> flairing,
> etc., where cars like WZ could continue to push onward to lower
> ETs and
> higher trap speeds while still not venturing into the MC (modified
> conversion) class. Anyone really interested in this should visit
> the
> NEDRA page and read the rules as they stand now, and it will
> become more
> clear.
>
> I have attempted to get the NEDRA board to modify White Zombie's
> 'official' records in the SC class, because even though when the
> records
> were set there were no rules against the way the car was set up,
> the way
> the new rules read, the car no longer fits into that category.
> It's not
> fair for new street racers to try to beat a record set that
> allowed
> items that helped a certain car to get to that level, while not
> allowing
> them to use the same equipment. At the same time, it is also
> unfair to
> not acknowledge the fact that WZ did accomplish and set these
> official
> records...it's kind of a dilemma. WZ's SC/A and SC/B records both
> fall
> into this debate.
>
> I don't blame Dennis for bringing this up, or Mike for that
> matter. I
> agree that this needs to be taken care of. Believe me, I tried
> several
> times last year to get this done, but no action was ever taken by
> the
> previous group. I would hope that these legally attained records
> could
> somehow still be acknowledged at the NEDRA page, perhaps by
> placing an
> asterisk denoting 'set before 2007 rule changes' at these records
> reflecting that they do not meet the new class rules.
>
> We all want the NEDRA rules to be fair, we all want as many racers
> as
> possible, and we all want new records to be set. I do not believe
> keeping two of the Zombie's three world records as they are, is
> appropriate and side with my fellow electric drag racers on this
> subject.On the other hand, I also do not think it's fair to simply
> wipe them
> away as if they never happened. I hope the new NEDRA board can
> come up
> with a way to rectify this situation.
>
>
> See Ya.....John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:44:23 -0500
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] NYT - Israel Is Set to Promote the Use of Electric
        Cars
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peri Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "evdl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:51 AM
Subject: [EVDL] NYT - Israel Is Set to Promote the Use of Electric Cars
  He EVerybody;

   Isreal has the right idea? Don't they have TRAINS in Isreal? like between 
Tal Avev and Jerusalum? Good run for electric lite rail? And we can borrow 
Isreal-tech in OTHER places?  Hawaii, for God's sake? It IS a little 
Island?!Bemuda, Iceland, saw a pogram about Iceland doing Hydrogen 'cuz they 
have a lotta geothermal power?Why bother? How FAR can you drive in Iceland, 
anyhow? Nantucket, Lottsa other little island places that I couldn't think 
of, off hand.Thinking a tad bigger; Taiwan, Japan, New Zeeland,Australia, 
Great Brittin,EVen NY's Long Island.

   That would be an interesting EVent. US importing Isrealian cars?

     Seeya

     Bob 



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:21:46 -0500
From: Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger
        EV Conversion Project)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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nicklogan wrote:
>  Has anyone had experience using a Hall effect pedal instead of a pot box?
> I'd particularly like to hear from anyone who has used one with a Zilla
> controller but any feedback would be appreciated. 
>   
I ordered one.  I'll let you know in 6 months. :)



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:57:02 -0700
From: "Mark Eidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger
        EV      Conversion Project)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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The hall effect and 5k pot options are mutually exclusive.  You have
to send the hair ball back to Otmar to be changed if you change your
mind........me

On 1/22/08, Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> nicklogan wrote:
> >  Has anyone had experience using a Hall effect pedal instead of a pot box?
> > I'd particularly like to hear from anyone who has used one with a Zilla
> > controller but any feedback would be appreciated.
> >
> I ordered one.  I'll let you know in 6 months. :)
>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:57:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lubricating bearings (should I) on my ADC 9"
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hey Steve

What kind of noise is it?  If it's a gurgling or rocky
pebble noise then it probably is the bearings.  The
noise at high RPM statement does raise some red flags
but if you lifted a bar then it'd tick all the time
(once a bar is lifted) so it probably is the bearings.
These sealed bearings aren't like a wheel baring where
you'd throw more grease into them, in as much as you
could add more grease by popping the seal from them.
The cost of a new set of bearings isn't that bad so
I'd advise just pulling them and replacing.  Just to
get at the drive end bearing you'd have to pull the DE
plate and once youve stressed that bearing it really
should be replaced anyway.  In fact if I have to pull
(even a new bearing) I replace it.
Let me know if you'll need a walkthrough when you get
there.
Hope this helps
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric



      
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:10:01 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger
        EV      Conversion Project)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I've used a Hall Effect pedal in a scooter. It's nice; it works well.

You probably won't notice the difference between a hall effect or pot,
except that the hall effect pedal should last longer (because the pot
has the wiper sliding and dealing with friction, whereas the hall
effect works by magnetic fields, with no contact).

-Morgan LaMoore

On Jan 21, 2008 10:13 PM, nicklogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Jeff Shanab wrote:
> >
> >
> > Within the zilla line I suggest getting the hairball with the extra
> > features Some have to be specified at purchase time and some you can
> > have and not use. The hall effect is one I think you have to decide
> > once. You may want to look into the hall effect pedal, especially if you
> > are in a damp area. The ones they use on the GMC diesel suburbans are
> > pretty nice and I think way way better than a pot box.
> >
> >
> >
>
>  Has anyone had experience using a Hall effect pedal instead of a pot box?
> I'd particularly like to hear from anyone who has used one with a Zilla
> controller but any feedback would be appreciated.
>
> John Nicholson
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:22:59 +0000
From: damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Installing a motor temp monitor
To: EV List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hey all,
 
One of the cool features of my new Evision Meter is that it has two temperature 
probes.  I would like to install one in the brush area of my motor.  Who has 
done this before and how did you do it?  I'm running a smaller motor, so motor 
temp may be an issue. Are there any potential gotchas I should know about?
 
thanks
damon
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:43:40 -0500
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Breaker Directions
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Is the direction of current through breakers important?  I've got some
non-Heinemann breakers in the car, which have Line and Load indicators on
them.  The Line marking is at the top of the breaker, and the Load at the
bottom, so I've hooked them up so that the battery side of the circuit
always connected to Line, and the motor/controller side always on Load. 
This mean, though, that on the positive breakers, current is flowing from
the top of the breaker to the bottom, but on the negative breakers, current
is flowing from the bottom to the top.

I've also got a couple Heinemann breakers, marked GJ1A I think, that do not
have Line and Load markings on them, and I've got those hooked up in the
opposite way, with the batteries connected to the bottom of the breakers
instead of the top.  Is that okay?

Thanks.

Bill Dennis  

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:47:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Waite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Israel Goes Electric
To: EVDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

<<AP Story from todays' local rag>>

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20080121-1040-israel-electriccar.html

*more glimmers of hope??? or what CAN $200M really bring?....amazing
how some folks react after the light bulb (fluoresent of course;-)
fianlly goes on upstairs...



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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:46:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Condie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL]  LionEV conversion demo - "Ranger DIY"
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On the LionEV website there's a well photographed series on the conversion of
a new Ranger pickup.  (See "Ranger DIY")  It's  a pretty standard EV
conversion - looks like a NetGain motor, Curtis controller, etc.  They've
finished the "first 90%" and appear to be unaware that the "second 90%" will
take even longer - a lesson most of us have learned the hard way.  Anyway,
despite a couple of gaffes, and a few statements that I'd take with a grain
of salt, it's a pretty good show.

Anyone thinking of converting a pickup truck could learn something by
checking it out.  I wouldn't advise sending Ken any money, though.
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:24:16 -0500
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lockheed Martin signs agreement with EEStor
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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> Cor wrote:  Bill, that is not the way that the laws of physics work.

Cor, thanks for the nice explanation.  I'm not sure, though, what you were
referring to in my original post.  I was trying to say the following, and
leave the laws of physics intact. Is it not correct?

1) EEStor gets a lot of energy in the capacitors by making them
high-voltage (Q = .5CVV)
2) With voltages that high, it's hard to make a thin dielectric that
doesn't break down
3) With double the dialectric thickness, they'd half the capacitance and
energy content  
4) If they cut the voltage in half, then they'd quarter the energy content
5) To meet the specs they're claiming, they need to produce a very thin
barium-titanate dielectric that can withstand 3500V across it--a difficult
manufacturing issue, because the barium-titanate needs to be very pure at
hold up at that thinness.  Add to that having the dialectric hold up in the
rigors of a moving vehicle.

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:35:14 -0800
From: JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Solar charge controller as DC/DC
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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The Xantrex C40 charge controller on my solar system
has a maximum input of 125 Volts DC and can output
12/24/48 volts at 40 Amps. Capable of parallel operation.
3 state charger. Voltages are adjustable. About $130.

I have 3 in use on my solar systems.

Solar charge controllers might be adaptable to EV operation.

John in Sylmar, CA
Driving on sunshine, awaiting the Sunrise



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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:44:35 -0800 (PST)
From: nicklogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger
        EV Conversion Project)
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Thanks, I realize that. I'm trying to get peoples impressions who have used
this option before I order because I don't want to have to have it changed.

John Nicholson



Mark Eidson wrote:
> 
> The hall effect and 5k pot options are mutually exclusive.  You have
> to send the hair ball back to Otmar to be changed if you change your
> mind........me
> 
> On 1/22/08, Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> nicklogan wrote:
>> >  Has anyone had experience using a Hall effect pedal instead of a pot
>> box?
>> > I'd particularly like to hear from anyone who has used one with a Zilla
>> > controller but any feedback would be appreciated.
>> >
>> I ordered one.  I'll let you know in 6 months. :)
>>
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:07:35 -0800 (PST)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Dragin  Weather
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hello to all that are planning on coming to San Diego

We can't do anything about the weather but so cal
weather is normally not too severe and doesn't stay
bad very long.  
However if you are concerned feel free to call me
before you leave

760 807 9454

hope to see and meet many on the list for the first
time.

so far we have over 80 vehicles signed up so this will
be the largest assemblage of EV's ever

keith
kEVs


--- David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm excited about going to Electric Dragin this
> weekend!
> 
> I see many more people signed up for drag racing
> than autocross. Autocross is a mini curvy course
> setup with cones. It is great fun, and emphasizes
> driver skill more than the car. I have seen Hondas
> beat Corvettes. I'd encourage folks to give it a
> try, autocross is great fun.
> 
> If you have a helmet, even a motorcycle helmet,
> bring it (to get rides if allowed, if nothing else).
> 
> I'm looking for a codrive. If you'd like an
> experienced autocrosser to drive your electric,
> please email me. I'll pay your entry fee. I place
> pretty well in my local club, have driven cars as
> high as 500 hp, and have never scratched a car.
> 
> Now for all the questions:
> 
> About what time will the autocross start?
> 
> I assume the autocross will be under SCCA rules? I
> assume helmets will be required? Will passengers as
> young as 12 years old be allowed? (12 year old
> passengers are allowed under SCCA rules.)
> 
> I had heard something about electric go kart rides?
> Can the go karts run the autocross course? How young
> can a go kart driver be?
> 
> Will there be food at the track?
> 
> Thanks for the answers, this will be great fun.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:25:50 +0000
From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar charge controller as DC/DC
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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The Xantrex C40 (or C60) is *not* a DC-DC converter.  It is merely a
regulator which limits the battery voltage according to a simple
profile.  If you connect it to a low impedance supply such as a
traction pack instead of solar panels, there will be fireworks.

The Outback MX60 on the other hand does have a DC-DC converter so it
will convert a high(ish) voltage low current input to a lower voltage,
high current output, allowing maximum power point tracking.  It also
includes a more intelligent charge controller with user interface and
is considerably more expensive.

I wouldn't have thought it is particularly useful in an EV application
either though.


On Jan 22, 2008 5:35 PM, JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Xantrex C40 charge controller on my solar system
> has a maximum input of 125 Volts DC and can output
> 12/24/48 volts at 40 Amps. Capable of parallel operation.
> 3 state charger. Voltages are adjustable. About $130.
>
> I have 3 in use on my solar systems.
>
> Solar charge controllers might be adaptable to EV operation.
>
> John in Sylmar, CA
> Driving on sunshine, awaiting the Sunrise
>
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:22:25 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] LionEV conversion demo - "Ranger DIY"
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Steve Condie wrote:
> On the LionEV website there's a well photographed series on the conversion of
> a new Ranger pickup. 

yes but the battery part is interestingly missing



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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:19:58 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar charge controller as DC/DC
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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JS wrote:
> The Xantrex C40 charge controller on my solar system
> has a maximum input of 125 Volts DC and can output
> 12/24/48 volts at 40 Amps. Capable of parallel operation.
> 3 state charger. Voltages are adjustable. About $130.
> 
> I have 3 in use on my solar systems.
> 
> Solar charge controllers might be adaptable to EV operation.

Interesting idea! Do you know if their output is isolated?

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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:29:16 -0900
From: MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger
        EV Conversion Project)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I use the HEPA on the Electrabishi
http://www.evalbum.com/756

It seems to do really well.
And the unit is fairly rugged.
You shouldn't have any trouble with it being sealed with not contact points 
inside.

The down side like Mark says, its a fixed option.  No going back without some 
down time.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: nicklogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:46 am
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hall Effect Pedal (was Re: Feedback on my Ranger EV 
Conversion Project)
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu

> 
> Thanks, I realize that. I'm trying to get peoples impressions who 
> have used
> this option before I order because I don't want to have to have it 
> changed.
> John Nicholson
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Eidson wrote:
> > 
> > The hall effect and 5k pot options are mutually exclusive.  You have
> > to send the hair ball back to Otmar to be changed if you change your
> > mind........me
> > 
> > On 1/22/08, Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> nicklogan wrote:
> >> >  Has anyone had experience using a Hall effect pedal instead 
> of a pot
> >> box?
> >> > I'd particularly like to hear from anyone who has used one 
> with a Zilla
> >> > controller but any feedback would be appreciated.
> >> >
> >> I ordered one.  I'll let you know in 6 months. :)
> >>
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