Great write up Steve! Thanks for the information. At the Hacker Dojo where I
volunteer there are a bunch of people working with Drupal and it still leads
in popularity. This answers some very basic questions.

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Donna 'SnowWrite' Snow
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On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Steve McMahon <st...@dcn.org> wrote:

> While at the Non-Profit SW Dev Summit, I had the opportunity to attend a
> couple of Drupal panels (new to Drupal, and what's new with Drupal). Drupal
> had their A team at the summit (a couple of core devs and several
> evangelists) to do the talks. I wanted to pass on a few things on what I
> observed. Share as appropriate.
>
> 1) Drupal is also having the framework vs product debate. From what I
> heard, the "framework" side is definitely winning. Many Drupal integrators
> are actually demanding that some new, friendlier UI in the Drupal 7 preview
> be rolled back because they feel it undermines their flexibility as
> integrators. Drupal 7 continues to be a micro-core product that is not
> really suitable for use out of the box. The Drupal folks emphasize that no
> inexperienced person should think they can integrate Drupal by themselves
> (for more than a blog), as they need to gain a lot of experience as to which
> modules really work together.
>
> 2) There is no migration path for add-on modules between 6 and 7. The core
> devs emphasize that it will be a rare 6 module that does not need a complete
> rewrite to become a 7 module. The integrators in the audience moaned loudly
> on receiving this news, and complained that this was awful for them. The
> core devs replied that the new APIs would make add on modules more secure
> and reliable.
>
> 3) Drupal is still very complex for end users. I don't think they really
> differentiate between users and site managers. Positioning a node in the
> content hierarchy still requires intimate knowledge of how Drupal works (or
> add on modules that organize portions of the tree). The ideal Drupal install
> is probably either small enough that a single site admin is not a
> bottleneck, or large enough that several site admins can be well trained.
>
> 4) Permissions and roles are still pretty much global, and workflow is
> rudimentary. No ACLs. The organic groups module remedies some of that, but
> there was skepticism about whether or not it could be ported to 7.
>
> 5) The CCK (content creation kit) is now pretty much integrated into 7, and
> is really pretty cool in its ability to allow site admins to add fields to
> content types TTW. On the other hand, they don't have a round trip story,
> and I heard a couple of conversations, that translated to Plone-speak,
> amounted to "we need something like generic setup to handle repeatable
> deployments."
>
> 6) Real-life Drupal is actually very resource intensive. The audience was
> told that they could do something like a blog on a cheapo host, but that a
> real deployment with multiple content authors would require a dedicated
> server or large virtual slice.
>
> 7) They are still, out-of-the-box, a great blogging platform, and if you're
> using Drupal as a "news to the home page site" with a few static pages, it's
> easy and fast to configure.
>
> 8) The party line on Acquia is that what's good for Acquia and Dries is
> good for Drupal. I saw not a hint of discomfort with that.
>
> 9) A somewhat contradictory pair of party lines: "it's easy to find PHP
> programmers, and they're inexpensive, therefore PHP is the place to be" and
> "Don't even think of using a PHP programmer with less than 3 years Drupal
> experience to do any customization."
>
> 10) Taxonomy was "never meant to provide site structure" and is now
> deprecated as a way to build nav trees. The "right" way to do it is with the
> new relations fields, which allow you to pick nodes as parents/children.
>
>
>
>
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