On Monday 30 January 2017, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:28 AM, reinhard hennig
> <reinhard.hen...@freenet.de> wrote:
> > my administration providing 12.000 Linux clients would appreciate
> > continueing evergreen with Leap42.2, because it is planned
> > to switch to leap 42.2 (13.2 at the moment) in a couple of months.
> >
> > That would be great.
> I don't know if it is working out, but the fundamental concept of
> Leap is that the 42.x series is easy to upgrade between.  In theory,
> 42.2 is 42.1 with a major service pack.
> Major changes will be held back until 43.x.

That's the theory. In practice seems that any packager/maintainer 
changes their packages however they want.

For example one of my packages (sbcl) was even not building anymore for 
42,2 although it was fine for 42.1. I've asked to revert the other 
incompatible change which broke my package but no chance ... I've had 
to change my package too otherwise they would have even removed my 
package from 42.2! Even this was a known issue, avoiding or reverting 
incompatible changes is obviously not important for Leap.

42.2 got a lot upgrades for no reason. Ok, the desktop stuff is always 
f**ked up anyways and I gave up to complain about that, But even things 
like texlive (about 6000 packages) got an update from version 2013 to 
2015. Why? Because just one user asked about that on mailing list ...

> So the need for Evergreen is much reduced with Leap.  Maybe you can
> ask on the main lists if that desire is working out for people.  I
> never had a Leap 42.1 machine and I only have one 42.2 machine, so I
> can't speak to how the concept is working.
> I can say I heard very few complaints from people seeing regressions
> when moving from 42.1 to 42.2

Yes it worked quiet good and I have to admit that this time I even liked 
the kernel upgrade, etc. because our hardware (Skylake desktop and 
laptops with intel graphics) was "too new" for 42.1. But I've had 
expected it and had 42,1 only running on a few test machines. The other 
13.1 machines are re-installed directly with 42.2. My users will not 
have to deal with annoying upgrades once per year ...

In general I don't see a major advantage for leap vs the old release 
model. I would be happy to stick with 42.2 for the next years (unless 
somebody stops these random package upgrades in the leap series.)

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