My kindle doesn’t give a good page number, but the words “short form” are in the last paragraph:
“ ATTRIBUTION Invented by Harrison Owen (see Open Space Technology: A User’s Guide). <<Short form>> developed to fit in Liberating Structures milieu by Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless.” On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 2:38 PM Michael Herman via OSList < [email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for this question, Rijon. I agree with Peggy, that I can’t recall > any talk of such upset here on the list. LS is a book about techniques > rather than practice. OS, as a tool or technique, is rightly included. At > the same time, I have long suggested, to anyone who’d listen, that OS is > better as practice. I see limitations in the LS take on it, but if there’s > anything to do about it, I think it would be to say and write more about OS > as practice, rather than trying to make LS something different. LS is the > only thing that could have happened AND it can be leveraged by those who > see OS as more than what if presents. The work goes on… > > m > > > On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 12:25 Peggy Holman via OSList <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Rijon, >> >> I don’t recall a conversation about how Liberating Structures changed OST >> on the OS list. >> >> I just looked at my copy The Surprising Power of Liberating Structures. I >> found the description of OST adequate. That said, I couldn’t find anything >> called a “short form” of OST so didn’t find their changes. Do you have a >> page number? >> >> I can tell you that I am often uncomfortable with how LS treats a variety >> of practices. My lived experience has been that the “short forms” they >> advocate reduce a practice to mechanics. In the hands of someone who >> doesn’t know what they are doing, they can leave something to be desired. >> >> Having said that, it has been a while since I have been around the LS >> practices. So I can’t name a specific example here. Just my own discomfort. >> >> Peggy >> >> >> >> _________________________________ >> Peggy Holman >> [email protected] >> Twitter: @peggyholman >> >> Bellevue, WA 98006 >> 206-948-0432 >> www.peggyholman.com >> www.journalismthatmatters.org >> >> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval >> into Opportunity <https://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/> >> >> >> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get >> burnt, is to become >> the fire". >> -- Drew Dellinger >> >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2023, at 10:10 AM, Rijon Erickson via OSList < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Below is an excerpt from a comment made on LinkedIn that makes a bold >> assertion about the opinion of the Open Space community regarding changes >> to OST within the context of Liberating Structures. >> >> “Lastly the changes made to Open Space that have been made are counted a >> travesty by the Open Space community. Anyone on the OSLIST knows what Barry >> Owen and others have had to say about this.” >> >> >> I'm making an assumption that these changes are the ones articulated by >> authors Henri Lipmanowicz and Keith McCandless in their book “The >> Surprising Power of Liberating Structures” and presented as a "short form" >> of OST. >> >> Upon reading the description of OST in the aforementioned book, I did >> feel some discomfort at how the event structure was presented, but I didn't >> take offense and consider such a presentation "a travesty". It read to me >> as what an OST event would look like to an observer. Near the end of the >> chapter in the book, Harrison Owen is credited and the reader is advised to >> start with the user's guide if they wish to the OST meeting format. >> >> Apparently this caused quite a stir a few years back. A reference is made >> to Barry Owen >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ACoAAADtVHYBKmACohG0Fe0-c0F4dAQSrDB_QaQ> as >> well as to "anyone on the OSLIST" having knowledge of this. >> >> I'm a member of the board of the Open Space Institute - US, and I've been >> on the OSLIST for a few years now, and I don't recall this issue being >> raised in public or in private. In addition, I couldn't find evidence here >> on the OSLIST either. >> >> As a board member of the Open Space Institute-US, I feel a deep sense of >> responsibility to fully understand these criticisms and to be able to >> publicly engage with those in the Liberating Structures community to ensure >> that the practice of Open Space Technology and the philosophy of Open Space >> is disseminated with accuracy and authenticity. >> >> Who among you is willing to help me understand? >> >> P.S. I wasn't aware that an entire community (especially the Open Space >> community) could hold a singular opinion, but maybe that's just me. >> OSList mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> See the archives here: >> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org >> >> >> OSList mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> See the archives here: >> https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org > > -- > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > MichaelHerman.com > OpenSpaceWorld.org > > > OSList mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > See the archives here: https://oslist.org/empathy/list/everyone.oslist.org -- *Rijon Erickson* Purple Phoenix Partners *513-375-8350* *Follow me on Twitter at *@soundslikeryan <https://twitter.com/soundslikeryan> *Connect with me on LinkedIn at *https://www.linkedin.com/in/rijonerickson/ *Book time with me at* http://calend.ly/rijon
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