George Levy wrote

>Actually, I think that the first person point of view is more fundamental 
>third person. Yet I do not deny the third person.  The objectivity of nature
>(third person characteristic) is an illusion brought about because first 
>observers share the same "frame of reference."

I can accept that. "Nature", with comp, is given by
the first person plural.

That is why I limit "third person" to the provable (by a sound machine
for exemple) arithmetical propositions.

I consider that "19 is prime" is an objective (third person) proposition.

But of course, nature and the whole plenitude are first person creation.

Our problem in this list is to explain that is an transparent scientific 


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