Hi all,

Regarding the graviton theory I've found an interesting description:

"It is proposed that the photon is the sole elementary particle in nature; energy 
consists of helical wave photons and
matter of orbital interlocking photons; gravitons are spinning linear wave photons 
which are emitted at a constant rate
to preserve matter; the uneven transmission of gravitons causes the gravitational 
force and that the gravitational lens
is a misnomer."

I've found an article that in a simplistic way gives an overview of matter, energy and 
gravitational force. This article is a bit old but helps to
understand the graviton subject.


It seems that gravitons are a form of photon emission different from the one that is 
defined as energy waves and the one that defines mass. Is this
logical? Well, at least I think
it is a good start for discussion.


"Ron McFarland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 17/02/2004 05:35:31

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From: "Ron McFarland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject:    Black Holes and Gravity Carrier

Greetings again to the list. It has been a while since I posted something
to think
about, and in that case I did a lot of arguing for my cause! I enjoyed it a
lot, and I
hope others did too. But I again must stress that I do not rise to the
level where I
can appreciate deep mathematical discussion, and so I hope that discussion
on this
topic that I will now raise can be expressed by logic (I have argued before
that logic
includes mathematics as a subset of logic but that logic also includes all
things that
mathematics seems to have no good way to define -- because mathematics is
ultimately digital and so mathematics by its nature can only approximate
analog). Ok, on to the topic!  :)

Some experiments have indicated that gravity is associated with a force
carrier, and
that this force carrier moves somewhere below or at the speed of light.
continue as the indications have not been absolutely proven. Perhaps I will
corrected on this, but it is my understanding that a force carrier is
generally thought
of as some sort of particle that transfers mass/energy between other

This presents a logical problem relative to black holes. Beyond the event
nothing with mass can escape there from and make itself known to our
universe. Apparently every particle has at least some mass, however tiny,
else a
black hole would be seen to radiate for reasons other than absorbsion of
half of a
virtual particle pair. (I always had trouble with that absorbsion mechanism
of black
hole evaporation, since it seemed logical to me that on the average 50% of
gets absorbed would be matter as we know it and 50% would be anti-matter,
with an
average net gain of zero absorbsion).

The only logical way that I can fathom for energy to escape from a black
hole, and
express itself as gravity, is if the force carrier "particle" has
absolutely no mass.
Again, perhaps I will be corrected, but it is my understanding that gravity
can only
affect particles that have mass. But a "particle" expressed only as energy
does not
equate with e=mc^2  (e=0 * [the speed of light squared]) because e must
then = 0.

If a gravity carrier has any mass whatsoever then by what mechanism could
possibly and in such abundance escape from a black hole event horizon and
itself known in our observable universe?

Or could it be that gravity is, in reality, pure nothing -- that gravity is
an expression
of the case where e really does = absolutely zero? Is gravity really just
an attempt
by matter to interact with an absolute nothing? If so, then is a black hole
really --
nothing? Could it be that gravity is expressed relative to the *inverse* of

Ron McFarland

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