**Sent:** Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:35
AM

**Subject:** RE: Nothing trivial

. . . There are some
*very* educated people on this list, some come at the genre of this list from
a philosophical view, some primarily from a mathematical view, some from a
pure logic point of view, some from a conjecture point of view, and many from
some sort of combination of those views.

Back on
2-Nov-03 I joined this list and argued from a logic point of view, and with
distant reference to data from such things as that Chandra article alludes to.
I poked fun at the mathematicians by stating that mathematics is a subset of
logic which can not fully describe the universe because mathematics is digital
but the universe is analog ... those decimal places keep confusing
things!<grin> This did not exactly enamor me to those members of the
list, but I believe they realize the intended humor being that we just don't
really have a good enough tool to measure what we see. Mathematics certainly
models a very good representation of our universe.

There, on
2-Nov-03, I argued that the universe and by way of quantum mechanics did
indeed arise from nothingness. I went further to state that the expansion of
the universe is its apparent effort to return to that original state (kind of
like a bubble in a vacuum), and that we perceive this effort as being what we
call dark energy (an ever acceleration of the expansion of the universe that
will eventually lead to what has been called the Big Rip), that a black hole
is yet another route to that same seeking of state, and more. I was surprised
to see the main arguments against my post being primarily about if the Big Rip
will really occur or not, a subject that is still being hotly debated in the
general scientific community.

But make no
mistake, I am not a scientist. I am only a thinker, one who seeks proof of
being misguided. Logic is my only tool. Others here are much more educated in
these matters than I am, and all here are tolerated and
respected.

Welcome to the
list about the Theory of Everything, George. :)

Ron
McFarland