Stathis: it is always dangerous (wrong!) to mix deviated cases (sick patients) with the general (non sick) human (behavioral etc.) concepts. One thing is even worse: to draw conclusions of such. I wrote some comments in this thread lately and did not see them being included in the list-posts. Am I banned from writing to the list?
John Mikes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <email@example.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: Re: John Conway, "Free Will Theorem" > Here are some interesting symptoms from sufferers of schizophrenia, which > may be seen as disorders of free will: > > 1. Command auditory hallucinations. The patient hears voices commanding him > to do sometimes horrific things, which he feels he *must* obey, and often > does obey, even though he does not want to. It is not that there is a fear > of consequences if he disobeys, like Nazi subordinates following orders. > Rather, the perceived command seems to directly impinge on the > decision-making centres of the brain, bypassing the frantic efforts of the > judgement centres to counteract it: > > "I heard a voice telling me to strangle my mother... I was terrified, I > didn't want to do this, but I couldn't resist, I *had* to do it." > > 2. Passivity phenomena. This is generally even harder to resist, and hence > more dangerous, than command auditory hallucinations. The patient > experiences his body being controlled like a puppet by an external force: > > "I was walking down the street when all of a sudden, I felt the satellites > beaming a force field at me, which took control of my body and made me throw > myself in front of the oncoming traffic. I tried to resist, but it was > impossible." > > 3. Catatonia. The patient appears as if paralysed and unresponsive. Asked > about the experience afterwards, he sometimes explains that he was actually > aware of his surroundings, that he felt able to move and speak if he wanted > to at any point, but that he did not want to do so, for reasons he cannot > explain - just a whim. The fact is, catatonic patients are *not* able to > move, even though they think they are, and could die if not given urgent > medical care (IV hydration, ECT). > > --Stathis Papaioannou >