Russell, I hate to discuss sci-fi (the daemon), but you wrote: "The daemon computes the future - not just predicts or guesses, but computes it exactly. " So in your opinion the daemon 'knows' (= applies for this exact comp) all the unlimited details of a totally interconnected world. IMO she cannot be different from "the world itself". And the computer usable for the daemon could not be different from - (!!!) "the world itself" again. The unlimited database applied by the infinite computing. No neglects, no surprizes. Exact computation of the future. - Fine.
Then again: "Tierra is not a model, it is a computational system that can be studied in its own right." Our definitions of 'model' are different. I call it (and used it that way) a limited aspect of the totality, in the first place limited by the (actual?) level of our continually increasing knowledge base. Since you hopefully do not deal in sci-fi, your Tierra circumstances are limited at least in this sense. You do limited computations and draw conclusions which in your word do not seem to be appreciated as a limited outcome. Here is the punctum saliens I make in reductionistic vs wholistic: to draw universal conclusions upon model-studies. Your position about Tierra is appreciable, which does not hit me as a surprize. I just consider them "a step". Even if you employ 'The Daemon" you could not get the totality: without total input no total outcome. "On the other hand, if we succeed, we will have a far better understanding of creativity, plus probably have a powerful new technology to boot." That I agree with and this is the reason for my appreciation of your project. Just please, don't 'daemonize' it. John Mikes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Standish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <email@example.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: Re: "Free Will Theorem"