Le 19-mai-05, à 21:51, Quentin Anciaux a écrit :


Le Jeudi 19 Mai 2005 21:18, John M a écrit :

Without trying to defend Robert Rosen, his (unlimited) natural systems
(maximum models = the THING itself, not a model) are (in his words) "not
Turing -computable", I think that is different from Bruno's unlimited

I think that is what Bruno explains (rather my understanding of it), that
"consciousness" (a thing ?) is emergent on all computations passing through
th(is/ese) state(s). If I understand, there is not one computation that
simulate a thing but a set of computation having this state.


But it seems to
me that an infinity of computation passing through a particular state exists,


so I do not very well understand how a measure can be associated to it.

Measure theory has been developed for taking into account infinite sets on which the measure bears on.

Excuse me for falling through a trap-door into a reply about things I am no
expert in. I may have the wrong bootstraps.

I'm not an expert too ;)

Beware the experts. today, in the interdisciplinary fields, they are in average worst than honest inquiring lay(wo)men.



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