> > Do you imagine that it's possible that we could go to
> > another star, and encounter beings who discoursed with
> > us about every single other thing, yet denied that they
> > had consciousness, and professed that they had no idea
> > what we were talking about? Yes or No! I want an answer.
> > Do you think that this *could* happen someday?
> No. But that does not solve the problem. Even Feigenbaum's Eliza was
> able to talk on consciousness.
Only to the approximate extent that a tape recorder does.
The key difference is that one understands that actual
computations are performed in the legitimate cases of
> 1) Do you agree it is wrong to torture a sensible being? (and right to
> send someone who does that in jail) ?
> 2) Do you agree there is nothing wrong to torture a sculpture or a doll?
> Now japanese, I have read, makes cleverer dolls who simulate quite well
> "being tortured", or "looking as being sensible", but of course they
> are just zombie, not more clever than Feigenbaum's Eliza.
> But they makes progress. The mind-body problem is: at which stage of
> the progress should we send a doll's torturer in jail?
> Should we wait for the doll being able to win a trial in court? Even
> women in many countries are not yet able to do that, you know.
That's a good question. I strongly affirm that WE NEED IN EVERY CASE
TO MAKE A DETAILED EXAMINATION OF THE MACHINERY INVOLVED, AND USE
OUR BEST INSIGHTS. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.