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From: "Jesse Mazer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 07:53 PM
Subject: RE: where did the Big Bang come from?

> Norman Samish wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Norman Samish wrote:
> > >>     And where did this mysterious Big Bang come from?  A "quantum
> > >> fluctuation of virtual particles" I'm told.
> > >
> >On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Jesse Mazer wrote:
> > > Whoever told you that was passing off speculation as fact--in fact
> > > is no agreed-upon answer to the question of what, if anything, came
> >before
> > > the Big Bang or "caused" it.
> > >
> >
> >Patrick Leahy wrote:
> >Maybe Norman is confusing the rather more legit idea that the
> >"fluctuations"
> >in the Big Bang, that explain why the universe is not completely uniform,
> >come from quantum fluctuations amplified by inflation.  This is currently
> >the leading theory for the origin of structure, in that it has quite a
> >of successful predictions to its credit.
> >
> >Norman Samish writes:
> >Perhaps I didn't express myself well.  What I was referring to is at
> >http://www.astronomycafe.net/cosm/planck.html, where Sten Odenwald
> >hypothesizes that random fluctuations in "nothing at all" led to the Big
> >Bang.  "This process has been described by the physicist Frank Wilczyk at
> >the University of California, Santa Barbara by saying, 'The reason that
> >there is something instead of nothing is that nothing is unstable.'  ". .
> >"Physicist Edward Tryon expresses this best by saying that 'Our universe
> >simply one of those things that happens from time to time.' "
> >
> But as I said, this idea is pure speculation, there isn't any evidence for
> it and we'd probably need a fully worked-out theory of quantum gravity to
> see if the idea even makes sense.
> Jesse

This is one of the motivations for believing in a purely mathematical
universe. A physical universe can never arise from 'nothing'. If you believe
in mathematical reality then there is no mystery. The mathematical model
that describes the big bang is eternal.


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