At 03:44 PM 6/26/2005, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Richard,

Let me follow up on your suggestion: Assuming a "personality" is made up of multiple modules,does it necessarily follow that a "hidden observer" exist as a seperate entiry, or could it be that the usual single personality results from an entrainment (the modules become like oscillators that couple to each other) over the many modules?

Hilgard asked the "entity" that question more than a few times. The hidden observer came across as quite normal-sounding. reasonable and real. A Finnish psychologist by the name of Reima Kampmann made an extensive study of the phenomenon, but unfortunately published little--and what he did publish was never translated to any languages other than Finnish. Bottom line: The hidden observer seems to be as real as such entities can be--or perhaps as real as some of the better business CEOs. Certainly better than some of the former CEOs in the news lately. Otherwise, it appears that the hidden observer phenom has not been studied in depth. I haven't seen much published research.

This idea predicts that if this entrainment mode is unstable and there are other possible metastale entrainment modes possible, then the personality that emerges is unstable; we get the symptons of multiple-personality disorder that makes "personalities" analogous to the metastable (phase space) orbits of a chaotic system. If no stable or metastable entrainments between the multiple modules obtain, we have the symptoms of autism. No?

Autism supposedly has been associated with structural changes based upon CT cans. Beyond that I don't know enough about autism to comment. Ornstein suggests that multiple-personalities are rather normal. On the other hand, there are some great books out there about this complex and weird phenom. For those who think the brain is just a complex radio set, multiple personality disorder can be thought of as merely having a crummy tuner (coil?) or a bad antenna. Melvin Morse, a Seattle pediatrician suggested that there is an antenna of a sort--and it's located in the right temporal sulcus. According to his books, this area also serves as some sort of ejection seat for the soul. I wrote a novel a few years ago that hypothesized a specific EEG signal emanating from this area (resolved using a standard Fast Fourier Transform circuit.) By monitoring the wavelet coming from this area, one could determine the time of exit for an OOBE.

Rich M

Kindest regards,


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Subject: Re: Have all possible events occurred?

At 10:22 AM 6/26/2005, Norman Samish wrote:

"Stathis Papaioannou" writes:  Of course you are right: there is no way to
distinguish the original from the copy, given that the copying process works
as intended. And if you believe that everything possible exists, then there
will always be at least one version of you who will definitely experience
whatever outcome you are leaving to chance.  Probability is just a first
person experience of a universe which is in fact completely deterministic,
because we cannot access the parallel worlds where our copies live, and
because even if we could, we can only experience being one person at a time.
RM Comments: (1) I'll have to disagree with Stathis' (apparent) statement that "probability is just a first person experience of a universe." No proper foundation. (2) Additionally, Stathis assumes that we cannot access the parallel worlds where our copies live. Since no one can even define consciousness, or isolate precisely where memory is located (or even what it is), there is no way we can preclude simultaneous experience. The best we can say is, "we simply don't know." And, (3), for the same reasons, we cannot say that we "experience being one person at a time." There are numerous psychological models---neodissociationism being just one---that posit a personality made up of multiple modules, all interacting (somewhat) under the guidance of an executive, Hilgard's "hidden observer." Unless and until we fully understand how consciousness is linked to personality, we probably shouldn't preclude multiple or simultaneous experience.

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